2004 Saturn Vue, DEI 554R
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Topic: 2004 Saturn Vue, DEI 554R
Posted By: Kev.
Subject: 2004 Saturn Vue, DEI 554R
Date Posted: July 28, 2004 at 9:54 AM
I am about to purchase/install a Prestige APS 996a (remote start/alarm) and was wondering what else I might need? I've heard discussions on Passlock devices needed for GM vehicles but I'm not sure if they are aplicable to my make/model. Please advise me on what I may need that the alarm will not come with. Thank you, Kev. ------------- Kev.
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Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: July 28, 2004 at 2:43 PM
Vue uses passlock 2
also needs the keysense energized during remote start to prevent service engine light to come on.
Locks are easy.
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Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: July 28, 2004 at 2:56 PM
Thank you extreme1! Does anybody have any experiences with DEI products? WHould you recomend their 554R over the Prestige unit I was looking at? The reason I ask is because DEI has the Passlock bypass unit (555L) and (what sounds like a good product) a alarm (554R). I like using products from the same company because they are made to work together. Any comments? ------------- Kev.
Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: July 28, 2004 at 7:30 PM
Do NOT use the 555L on the Saturn Vue. On occasion the vehicle's passlock system will lock up preventing you from starting the car for 15 minutes. I have seen it numerous times. DEI says to run a ground to the battery for the 555L...it still doesn't work. Easiest way to temporarily bypass the Passlock on that vehicle is with a relay and resistor. I won't use a 555L on any more Saturns....too many problems.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: July 28, 2004 at 7:59 PM
Is there a schematic (with values) somewhere?
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Kev.
Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: July 28, 2004 at 9:26 PM
555l works perfect on the vue.
use the blue status out on the 554r to fire up the bypass and the blue/black wire to energize keysense.
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Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: July 29, 2004 at 8:34 AM
Hmm...my wife is VERY nervous about not having a warranty on it if I install myself. I have done ALL of my own alarms, stereo's, hell...even my own house wiring (I'm an electrical engineer) but for this she is scared. I call Best Buy (I'm in Fresno California) and they want $399 for a Viper 791 installed. Does this sound like a decent price? I might still order the 554 and do it myself.
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 06, 2004 at 10:20 PM
I have a 2004 Saturn Vue (3.5 liter V-6) and am a little confused about hooking up my DEI 554R. The "(-) Factory Disarm Output" wire (H2/2 Light GREEN/ Black) needs to "pulse the disarm wire of the vehicle's factory anti-theft device" but the DIRECTWIRE WIRING INFORMATION -SATURN / VUE / 2004 / Remote Start sheet says the factory alarm disarm is activated by factory remote only. If this is so... what do I do with the "(-) Factory Disarm Output" wire?
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Kev.
Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: August 06, 2004 at 10:29 PM
Nothing....the factory alarm shuts off on its own when you remote start the car.
Also, if you don't lock the car with the factory remote then the factory alarm will never be armed.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 06, 2004 at 10:55 PM
Hmm...what would I be losing out on by not carying the factory remote around with me? I don't want to have to carry two remotes for it all to work properly! As far as I can tell, I won't miss out on anything. The 554R should do everything the factory alarm done and more, right!?
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Kev.
Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: August 06, 2004 at 11:27 PM
I didn't say it was a bad thing that the factory alarm wouldn't work.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 06, 2004 at 11:44 PM
Okay.
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 07, 2004 at 6:13 PM
Where/which is the tach wire on a 2004 Saturn Vue with a V-6. All the wire guide says is not the pink or black and white. Then it makes a reference to the coil pack but I don't know where that is.
Please help.
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 07, 2004 at 10:14 PM
I have a 2004 Saturn Vue
How do I wire the domelight supervision output relay? I understand the supervision output wire from the 554R goes to pin 85 of th relay, and 12 volts goes to pin 86 of the relay. Pin 30 is supposed to go to the dome light, but I have no idea wher to find the wire for that. Pin 87 is supposed to go to domelight supervision wire but the DIRECTWIRE guide says to use the door trigger wire.
I have wired the door trigger input wire to the driver and passenger goor pins through two diodes.
Question:
Am I supposed to "tee" off from the door input trigger wire to pin 87 on the domelight supervision output relay? If not what goes to pin 87 on that relay?
Also, what wire is the domelight wire(for pin 30 of the relay) located? Where can I find it? I hope I don't have to drop the headliner to track it down!
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 07, 2004 at 10:40 PM
What does the pink and the BLACK/ white wire do? Since they say to use the coil wire, where is the best place to find it? I guess what I need is the pinout of the BCm for my car. Does anybody know where to find it?
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Kev.
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 2:09 AM
Follow the spark plugs one end goes to the plug itself, the other will go to the coil. Grab the wire there. The pink or BLACK/ white are constant ground or power to supply the coil and you need the other wire there. Those type of instructions are actually quite common.
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 2:12 AM
In your case, wire the relay like this: 85 -input from alarm, 86 +12V, 30 ground, 87 door trigger output. You will tie the door trigger output to the car's door trigger before the diodes to the alarm. This will make the car think that a door was opened and turn the lights on.
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Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 11:50 AM
Thank you AGAIN auex!!!
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 12:28 PM
I could not find any plug wires, it looks like each plug has it's own coil attached right to it. I pulled one of the connectors going to one of the suspected coils and then started the car. It ran rough, like a spark plug was dead, so I decided to check voltage at the conector. There were three pins located there. I attached the negative lead of my meter (set on ac volts) to ground and checked each pin with the other lead. The first pin read 0, the second pin read .2vac, and the last pin read 30vac. Does this sound right to you? The DEI book said I should read something like 1-4vac at the right wire. Should I connect the tach wire for the 554R to one of these wires or should I keep looking for another wire? Also, none of the wires were pink or BLACK/ white like the wiring data sheet (for my car) said.
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 3:47 PM
This is the last wire I need to hook up now. Please, if anybody has any idea where to hook it up at, please let me know.
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 3:57 PM
I am installing a 554R into my Saturn Vue and noticed the doors don't lock when I arm the system. they don't even lock using the switches on the doors. Does anybody have any ideas why? And yes...I did check the fue box.
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Kev.
Posted By: draasch
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 5:11 PM
how did u wire them up??? ------------- Good Luck
David
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Posted By: D.Russell
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 7:50 PM
Kev.]T wrote:
is is the last wire I need to hook up now. Please, if anybody has any idea where to hook it up at, please let me know.
Just run it to the Odd Color ( of the Six Fuel Injector Connectors). Each connector has 2 wires running to it. One wire will be the same color on all six. Use the Odd Color from just one of them. That should work for your tach signal .
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 7:58 PM
Actually each connector has 3 wires going to it.
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 8:13 PM
Easy, I used Type A from Document 1041. I connected the green wire (H4/A) from the 554R to the (+ power unlock output) ORANGE / black of the BCM.
I also connected the blue wire (H4/C) from the 554R to the (+ power lock output) RED / black of the BCM.
To make sure I had a type A system I disconnected the plug going to the door lock switch and ran a jumper from the 12v constant pin to the unlock pin. All doors unlocked so this means its type A right? The reason I chose to pull the plug and not cut the lock wire was because there was no room to get some crimpers to the cut wire once I was done. So I figured it would be the same if I just pulled the connector and used a jumper.
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Kev.
Posted By: draasch
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 9:44 PM
some times its the same, however not always....
not sure what yr car you have. here is the info that i have:
2002:
Power Lock RED / BLK PIN A7 AT BCM OR BOOT FROM DOOR #201
Power Unlock ORG/BLK PIN A8 AT BCM OR BOOT FROM DOOR
* BCM Is Located On center Console Pass Side. #201 See Negative Pulse Door Lock Diagram.
2003:
Power Lock RED / BLACK GRAY 16 PIN PLUG #202
Power Unlock ORANGE / BLACK AT BCM*
* The BCM Is In The Center Of The Dash Behind The Pocket. #202 See Positive Pulse Door Lock Digram ------------- Good Luck
David
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Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 9:59 PM
Sorry, I have a 2004 (3.5 liter V-6) Saturn Vue.
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Kev.
Posted By: draasch
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 10:01 PM
it may be the same as the 2003 info ------------- Good Luck
David
Ace Security
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Tampa
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Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 10:07 PM
The three wires going to each coil had two wires that were the same color throughout all six coils. The first is WHITE/ green which read 0vac, the second was black which read .2vac, and the third on all of them was a different color and had nearly 30vac. The book for the alarm (DEI 554R) said the tach wire should read 1-6vac. Shouldn't there be a control module these things go to? The wires dissapear in a loom that I am unable to track down. I was wondering if the injector wires went to the BCM? If so...what colors/pin#'s are they? nfortunately I cannot reach the injectors from on top of the motor, the intake completely covers them. Besides, I would like to run as few wires as possible through the firewall.
The motor in my Vue is the same V-6 that is used in the Honda Odesy, the Pilot (I believe), and the Acura MDX. If you have ever worked on these, then you would know what I'm talking about (injectors are burried in the motor).
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Kev.
Posted By: Teamrf
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 10:10 PM
The lock is org/black in the middle of the dash behind the pocket to unlock just the driver door use a lt. green (+) wire in pin A2, gray 16 pin plug at BCM.
the unlock is RED / black on these cars as well. See if you can use your switch to lock and unlock the car. ------------- ~The Rookie~
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Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 10:13 PM
If I'm looking at the diagram you are refering to, I will need some relays? Document 1041 says I don't need these as I should be tapping into the wires before the factory relays.
Now even the door lock switches (both driver and passenger) in the doors don't do anything! I hope I didn't fry anything! I went ahead and disconnected the the lock/unlock wires from the 554R and the door swiches still don't work.
Getting worried.
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Kev.
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 10:21 PM
Switch it to voltage sensing and be done with it. Or you could try one of the off color wires, learn tach and give it a try.
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 10:23 PM
Have you checked fuses for the car yet?
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Posted By: gtown installer
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 11:50 PM
Hey kev, you don't have to hook up the tach wire. If it is a dei alarm, there is an option to either hook up the tach wire so the brain can keep tabs on the running engine, or to program the brain (with the valet switch) to keep tabs on the engine by observing voltage fluctuation. Sometimes I use it when I'm working on a b!t@h car and either can't find the tach or it is inaccessible. good luck ------------- gangstaville installer
Posted By: gtchida
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 11:52 PM
Kev, The green and blue lock/unlock wires each send a (-) and (+) signal so you have probably sent a negative pulse to the + wire of the BCM and either blown a fuse or damaged the BCM. What the lock doument doesn't tell you is that you must have a relay (it is mentioned in the install manual). Check to see if the BCM has a burned electrical smell to it or if you can easily access it and can get inside it, you may find a burned and separated contact on the back of the circuit board. Double check your fuses again just to be sure - sometimes there are fuses located inside and in the engine compartment of the vehicle. Gary
Posted By: gtchida
Date Posted: August 08, 2004 at 11:54 PM
Kev, The green and blue lock/unlock wires each send a (-) and (+) signal so you have probably sent a negative pulse to the + wire of the BCM and either blown a fuse or damaged the BCM. What the lock doument doesn't tell you is that you must have a relay (it is mentioned in the install manual). Check to see if the BCM has a burned electrical smell to it or if you can easily access it and can get inside it, you may find a burned and separated contact on the back of the circuit board. Double check your fuses again just to be sure - sometimes there are fuses located inside and in the engine compartment of the vehicle. Gary
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 12:38 AM
gtown installer wrote:
b!t@h
What the hell is the point of doing that? Other then showing how much of a juvenile you are? Oh, and thanks for regurgitating what I had already said. ------------- Certified Security Specialist
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 12:47 AM
gtchida wrote:
The green and blue lock/unlock wires each send a (-) and (+) signal so you have probably sent a negative pulse to the + wire of the BCM and either blown a fuse or damaged the BCM. What the lock doument doesn't tell you is that you must have a relay (it is mentioned in the install manual).
Don't work with DEI much, huh? There is no problem with the switching lock wires on any vehicle that I know of. Also if you are tagging the wires between the switch and relay/bcm then you don't need relays on this vehicle. ------------- Certified Security Specialist
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Posted By: robbyrob717
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 12:47 AM
i am having the same problem with my crimestopper alarm in my 94 pontiac sunbird. locks fine.. won't unlock.
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alpine deck
audiobahn 3.5 fronts w/ tweeters
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 12:51 AM
robbyrob717 wrote:
i am having the same problem with my crimestopper alarm in my 94 pontiac sunbird. locks fine.. won't unlock.
You are not having the same problem, and by reading your post you probably shorted out the unlock pulse of the alarm blowing it. Take your meter or test light and see if the alarm is still sending out a pulse on unlock. ------------- Certified Security Specialist
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Posted By: gtchida
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 1:17 AM
My bad auex, thanks.
Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 1:29 AM
hahah :o its best to grab a tach. if the car doesnt start sometime, it helps a lot of trouble shooting go faster. ------------- MECP certified installer
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 2:00 AM
No problem man, just trying to clear up and clarify before a hundred questions come in.
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Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 8:11 AM
auex][ wrote:
UOTE=gtchida] The green and blue lock/unlock wires each send a (-) and (+) signal so you have probably sent a negative pulse to the + wire of the BCM and either blown a fuse or damaged the BCM. What the lock doument doesn't tell you is that you must have a relay (it is mentioned in the install manual).
Don't work with DEI much, huh? There is no problem with the switching lock wires on any vehicle that I know of. Also if you are tagging the wires between the switch and relay/bcm then you don't need relays on this vehicle.[/QUOTE] I was taggging the lock/unlock ~ 6" from the BCM where I mounted the "brain" of the 554R. With this in mind...I probably have cooked the BCM since there was no fuse to intercept the short. Man this really sucks. I'll go through all of the fuses both under the hood and in the car. What kills me is the car is brand new and I might have just waisted ~$500+ on a BCM just to save a hundred or so on an alarm install. If so my wife is going to kill me! Wish me luck... ------------- Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 8:34 AM
Just checked every fuse I could find and they are all okay. I'll pull the BCM later and see if I can find anything. I wonder how much of my warranty I am going to void by removing/opening my BCM? Hopfully I can find and fix the problem, that way I wont have to take it to the dealer...and my wife won't find out!
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 10:10 AM
I did program menu 3-2 Checking Type Tach/Voltage the 554R for voltage.I also set the Voltage Check Hi/Low (menu 3-6) to low. The car starts and imediatly shuts down, then severalk seconds later tries again. Any ideas on what I have to change? Should the Voltage Check Hi/Low be set for high?
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 10:58 AM
WOOHOO... I drove down the road so no one from my work would see me messing with my car. I was looking at the BCM to see how it comes out and low and behold, after finding the correct wires to tap into for the alarm connection, I never plugged the connector back into the BCM! Right now I feel both INCREDIBLY STUPID and relieved at the same time! I unplugged ("t-tap") the wires coming from the alarm into the BCM because there was a mention of needing external relays. Since I am afraid of frying the BCM for real, I am not going to re-plug the lock/unlock wires from the 554R until I get a definite answer as to if I need external relays or not. So my question now is...do I need external relays or do I plug right into the BCM harness like "Document 1041" says. The manual says these leads are to power relays only, and Document 1041 says to hook up the leads between the BCM and the factory relays. Are the relays the install manual is referring to the factory relays? Or do I need external relays? ------------- Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 11:09 AM
I went out and increased the start time to 1 full second. The car still doesn't stay on and it now seems like it cranks to long. I will go back and reset the time to .6 seconds. I then put the voltage threshold back to high and that had noe effect on anything exept now the car doesnot attempt to restart. Lastly I checked the diagnostics and the flashed code read "transmitter shutdown (or optional push-button)". I did not install the optional pushbutton because I felt there was no need for it. I did however touch the wire (WHITE/ blue) to ground to see if it works. The car did exactly as the remote did, start and then die. Do you think the 555L is not working properly? As previously advised, I did not connect the factory arm and dis-arm wires from the 554R because it is all handled from the factory remote and there is no wires to connect to. ------------- Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 12:10 PM
As I was cleaning up my install, I noticed the alarm kept arming on me after ~30 seconds. The dome light was on so the alarm should have recognized that. I didn't think the alarm was supposed to self arm until the last door was closed. What should check?
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 7:32 PM
You don't think 30 vac from these wires is to much? I don't want to fry the alarm.
If it's possible to get to the wire going to the tachometer, could I use it for the alarm?
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Kev.
Posted By: Storm_usa
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 8:22 PM
Remote Starter Wiring Colors and Notes | Function | | Vehicle Color | Location | Start: | | Yellow | Ignition Switch Harness | Ignition #1: | | Pink | Ignition Switch Harness* | Ignition #2: | | N/A | | Ignition #3: | | N/A | *** | Accessory: | | Brown & Orange | Ignition Switch Harness**special note | Brake Light: | | Blue or White | At Brake Switch | Tach Signal: | | White or Purple | At Coil Pack | Parking Lights: | | Brown (+) | At Headlight Switch | Headlights: | | No Color Available | Please call with information | OEM Alarm Disarm: | | No Color Available | Please call with information | OEM Alarm Arm: | | No Color Available | Please call with information | Diesel Glow Plug: | | N/A | | Clutch Bypass Wire: | | No Color Available | Please call with information | Notes: | | *May be equipped with Passlock II or PassKey III transponder anti-theft system - **The ACC wire from the module must drive two external relays to power up the Brown & Orange wire from the vehicle. The Brown & Orange wire MUST turn ON and OFF at the exact same time or this will cause a Check Engine Light.*** Connect this wire to a lt.green(-) keysense wire to prevent CEL light to come ON, All DesignTech remote starters except the 2xx22 have an ignition 3 output - it is the WHITE/ black in the 'control harness.' This wire will be used to control the bypass module, if needed. |
Alarm and Keyless Entry Wiring Colors and Notes | Function | | Vehicle Color | Location | Constant +12 Volts: | | Orange (+) | Ignition Switch Harness | Starter Kill: | | Yellow | Ignition Switch Harness | Ignition +12 Volts: | | Pink | Ignition Switch Harness* | Dome Lights/Superv: | | Gry/Blk and Blk/white | At Door Pins**** | OEM Horn: | | Black (-) | In steering Column Harness***** | Power Lock: | | RED / Black (+) | Driver Kick Panel****** | Power Unlock: | | ORANGE / Black (+) | Drivers Kick Panel****** | Trunk Release: | | No Color Available | Please call with information | Alarm Input Wire: | | Gry/Blk and Blk/white | At Door Pins**** | Notes: | | ****Individual door circuits - Must diode isolate door pins or go directly to dome light. The color at the dome light may vary. *****CAUTION - HARNESS MAY CONTAIN AIR-BAG WIRES. TO PREVENT INJURY OR VEHICLE DAMAGE, TEST ONLY WITH A DIGITAL MULT-METER SET FOR DC VOLTS! The correct horn wire will measure 12 volts when you are not pressing the horn, zero volts with the horn sounding. ******In drivers kick panel where the rubber boot comes from the door into the body of the vehicle. Positive Trigger Door Locks |
------------- The Storm
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 9:32 PM
2004 V-6 Saturn Vue & DEI 554R w/ 555L
Okay, I got the doors to unlock but they don't lock. I noticed on the door switches you have to push the button twice to get it lock. I looked through the book for an option to double pulse the lock relay but there is nothing there. I tried pushing the lock/arm button (on the remote) twice but that doesn't work either.
I checked the lock wire from the 554R to make sure it is sending out a loke pulse and it is.
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Kev.
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 9:34 PM
Close the door?
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Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 9:45 PM
You do NOT need relays.
just use blue for lock and green for unlock.
you WILL be fine
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 10:18 PM
Your killing me auex! With the doors closed, the doors all lock. THNX!
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 10:20 PM
Hooked the wires up and all is a-okay now! Thank you!
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Kev.
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 10:22 PM
Funny how things work, huh?
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Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 10:26 PM
This is the problem, I cannot find the "coil pack" that has wires of these colors. The spark plugs each have individual coils on top of them and none of the three wires reads 1-6 volts like the book says. The one wire that differs from the other two wires (of the three wires going to each coil) reads 30 volts.
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 09, 2004 at 11:04 PM
Yeah (face still red)! I am having a problem with my remote start and started looking at how I wired it up and notced I put the black wire of the 555L to ground and not to the passlock II ground reference wire. Once I get this remote start thing worked out I BELIEVE I'm done! I am an electrical engineer but man...I have a LOT of respect for you guys now! I think next time I'll leave the alarm work to the professionals.
Oh, thank you again auex and everyone else who contributed to my installation! Now I got to get back out there finish.
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 10, 2004 at 11:07 AM
30VAC
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Kev.
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 10, 2004 at 12:37 PM
Car: 2004 Saturn Vue (3.5 liter V-6), Alarm: DEI 554R, Transponder: DEI 555L I am having trouble with the remote start feature of my alarm. The car will start and then immediatly shut itself off. The wiring I have is: Wiring done so far: 555L Red: Orange (+12vac in ignition harness) 555L Pink: Pink (Ignition) 555L Violet: Not Used 555L Blu/Blk: 554R (blue I think) 555L Black: Chassis ground (but I think this is supposed to go elsewhere) 555L Blk/Wht: Not Used 555L Yellow: Car side of keysense wire 555L Blk/Ylw: Ignition switch side of keysence wire I am not sure the black wire from the 555L was supposed to go to ground. I've heard others mention it is supposed to go to an ORANGE / black wire in the ignition harness but my ingnition harness doesnot have an ORANGE / black. My ignitiuon harness has: Lt. Green: Keysense Blk/Wht: ? (tested as ground using DVM) Pink: Ignition Orange #1: Acc #1 Brown: Acc #2 Yellow: Starter Orange #2: +12vac Orange #3: +12vac I tried connecting the blak from the 555L to the blk/wht in my ignition harness and this had no effect. I had to set the 554R to voltage sense because I cannot find the right wire to connect the tach sense wire to. ------------- Kev.
Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: August 10, 2004 at 2:55 PM
-make sure the tach is properly taught and try the key in the cylinder w/o turning the key and RStart. if successful, then its time for 555L.
-this is the manual if you havent had one. look from page 2 for passlock II, PDF file.
(assuming the 02-04 doesnt change, since the previous diagram shows)
-only three wires goes to the passlock system.
1.rcode-computer side(look for the correspond color and cut if in half)
2.rcode-key cylinder side
3.ground input
-blue wire from 555L- status, i think blue/white on 554R.
-red wire form 555l- 12volt(+) fused
-pink-plug it to one of ur ignition wire.
-no need for BLACK/ white, cut it off.
-no need for violet, cut if off(if you want).
good luck!!!
------------- Houston,TX
"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).
Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: August 10, 2004 at 3:06 PM
Holy do you not have your 555L hooked up right. It in no way ties into the keysense wire.
Passlock wires should be yellow, ORANGE / black and RED / white
You cut the yellow wire.
Yellow from 555L goes to KEY SIDE
BLACK / YELLOW goes to CAR SIDE.
you can run the black wire to ground if you cannot find the passlock ground reference wire in the ign harness.
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Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 10, 2004 at 4:10 PM
extreme1 wrote:
Holy do you not have your 555L hooked up right. It in no way ties into the keysense wire.
-I thought the keysense wire was the R-Code wire.
extreme1 wrote:
Passlock wires should be yellow, ORANGE / black and RED / white
-There is no ORANGE / black wire. The wire guide that was supplied with the alarm said I would find all of the passlock wires in the ignition (starter switch) wire bundle. -There is no RED / white wire in the ignition bundle.
extreme1 wrote:
You cut the yellow wire.
-The yellow (heavy gauge) wire is for the starter. I know this is true, and works, because the car turns over when I hit the remote start buttons.
extreme1 wrote:
you can run the black wire to ground if you cannot find the passlock ground reference wire in the ign harness.
-Okay. The If what you say is true...the Passlock wires must not be in the ignition harness (wires coming from the ignition switch). The reason I say this is because the only wires in the ignition harness are: kev.]< wrote:
trong>My ignitiuon harness has:Lt. Green: Keysense Blk/Wht: ? (tested as ground using DVM) Pink: Ignition Orange #1: Acc #1 Brown: Acc #2 Yellow: Starter Orange #2: +12vac Orange #3: +12vac
------------- Kev.
Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: August 10, 2004 at 5:53 PM
the wires you are looking for are the same size as the keysense, they run up over the top of the steering column. You have the remove teh shroud to get at them.
Given the trials you've had with this install already, is it worth the 150 bucks you're saving?
You also have to send a neg signal to keysense during remote start to prevent the service engine light from coming on.
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Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 10, 2004 at 6:09 PM
extreme1 wrote:
the wires you are looking for are the same size as the keysense, they run up over the top of the steering column. You have the remove teh shroud to get at them.
-I'll check it out in a bit
extreme1 wrote:
Given the trials you've had with this install already, is it worth the 150 bucks you're saving?
Whatever you guys get paid...it isnt enough!
extreme1 wrote:
You also have to send a neg signal to keysense during remote start to prevent the service engine light from coming on.
- I'l have to reconnect the keysense wire (since I cut it thinking it was my R-Code wire) and tap the black wire from the 555L into it. Thank you VERY much! ------------- Kev.
Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: August 10, 2004 at 10:49 PM
The passlock wires will exit the keycylinder towards the key end of it.
The Vue is perhaps the easiest of the new saturns to work on, the ION is a bloody nightmare with multiplex passlock/2nd ign/ start wires.
all ign wires are low current as well, maybe 18awg.
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Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 11, 2004 at 8:29 AM
Sure enough, there they were, right on top of the steering column. After I made the appropriate connections, I started the car (with the key) and let it run a minute. After that I used the transmitter and voila...it started! I had to play around a bit with the crank time with the starter but it seems to work great. I am still using voltage sense instead of the tach wire, but as long as it works, heck with it. I only have one more concern (yeah right)...my rear hatch does not seem to be triggering the alarm. What I mean is I can open the rear hatch without setting off the alarm. When I have the car running there is an icon on the instrument cluster (with a picture of the hatch open), and the dome light comes on so I know there is some sort of switch back there. The wiring guide I have does not show where the wire for it is at does anybody have any idea as to what I need to do to get the alarm to work with this as well? Thank you all for your help! ------------- Kev.
Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: August 11, 2004 at 9:06 AM
rear hatch pin is: neg. trigger, RED / black, pin B4 in gray 24 pin plug at BCM
Posted By: Kev.
Date Posted: August 11, 2004 at 9:59 AM
Thank you another-kelly! I'll check it out when I get home tonight.
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Kev.
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