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CS-2011RS IV - Remote Start Problem

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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: CS-2011RS IV - Remote Start Problem

Posted By: cgirtman
Subject: CS-2011RS IV - Remote Start Problem
Date Posted: September 09, 2004 at 3:57 PM

Hello, I'm new to the forum. I've done my best to research my problem but cannot seem to find anything to help.

I have a crimestopper CS-2011RS and have started the installation in my 1999 Dodge Durango. The Durango has factory keyless entry but no alarm. I wired the alarm with the use of the wiring diagram found here at 12volt (and some help from posts here on the forum).

Here is my problem..everything seems to work fine - door locks, shock sensor, tach finder, valey switch, hood switch...however when I attempt a remote start, I get the three confirmation beeps, then the parking lights flash...I can then hear the doors lock and the fuel pump engage...but that is it. No start, no nothing. The fuel pump does not stay on for as long as it does when you turn the ignition one click up. The only wires I have not wired is the door switch sensor wires and the dome light wire. I also did not cut the starter wire to install a starter kill relay...will do later. I tested the brown wire that goes to the starter and it does not seem to be putting out 12 volts during the remote start.

Any help is greatly appreciated.




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Posted By: Teken
Date Posted: September 09, 2004 at 6:56 PM

Dodge

Durango

1998-1999

Remote Starter Wiring Colors and Notes

Function
   Vehicle Color
Location

Start:
   YELLOW
IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

Ignition #1:
   DK. BLUE
IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

Ignition #2:
   BLACK/ ORANGE
IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS (HEATER/AC)

Ignition #3:
   N/A


Accessory:
   BLACK/ WHITE
IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS (RADIO/WIPERS)

Brake Light:
   WHITE/ TAN
AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL

Tach Signal:
   BLACK/ GRAY
AT IGNITION COIL OR AT PCM *

Parking Lights:
   BLACK / YELLOW
AT HEADLIGHT SWITCH

Headlights:
   LT. GREEN
AT HEADLIGHT SWITCH

OEM Alarm Disarm:
   LT. GREEN/ ORANGE (-)
# PIN CONN. BELOW DR. FUSE BLOCK

OEM Alarm Arm:
   


Diesel Glow Plug:
   


Clutch Bypass Wire:
   


Notes:
   * Ignition Coil Is Located On Passenger Front Of Engine. Powertrain Control Module (PCM) Is Located On Passenger Rear Of Engine Compartment In Front Of Washer Fluid Reservior.

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Dodge

Durango

1998-1999

Alarm and Keyless Entry Wiring Colors and Notes

Function
   Vehicle Color
Location

Constant +12 Volts:
   RED & PINK/BLACK
IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

Starter Kill:
   YELLOW
IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS <------ You may want to confirm that again.


Ignition +12 Volts:
   DK. BLUE
IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

Dome Lights/Superv:
   YELLOW (-)
AT COURTESY LIGHT UNDER DASH

OEM Horn:
   BLACK/ RED (-)
STEERING COLUMN HARNESS

Power Lock:
   ORANGE / VIOLET
# PIN CONN. BELOW DR. FUSE BLOCK **

Power Unlock:
   PINK/VIOLET
# PIN CONN. BELOW DR. FUSE BLOCK **

Trunk Release:
   N/A


Alarm Input Wire:
   YELLOW (-)
AT COURTESY LIGHT UNDER DASH


Notes:
** See Note #203 - Reverse Polarity Door Lock Diagram.

You should really install the starter kill to prevent the starter from grinding.


Regards

EVIL Teken . . .




Posted By: cgirtman
Date Posted: September 09, 2004 at 8:22 PM

I have the brown wire going to the yellow wire in the ignition switch harness, but I don't think the brown wire is producing a 12 volt signal during the remote start...somehow it's not getting to that point. I will install the starter kill relay tomorrow and try again.

Someone mentioned that you need to place a diode between the alarm wire and the wire that disarms the factory system...any truth to that?

Thanks again,

Girt





Posted By: slicksam
Date Posted: September 09, 2004 at 8:45 PM

Here is a little trick.....if your key to the truck is grey.....you might have a chip in the key.

could be a late version 99, early 2000.....leave the key in the ignition barrel and try to start it by remote starter.

if it starts, you need a bypass module for that truck.



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Testing is the key




Posted By: cgirtman
Date Posted: September 11, 2004 at 10:29 PM
TEKEN:
Installed the starter kill relay and made sure I had the right yellow wire for the started. I did. Still no remote start.
 
SLICKSAM:
Tried remote start with key in, no luck. Key is black, not grey.
 
This is what happens when I initiate a remote start:
-Press start on the remote
-Truck beeps three times (as it should)
-Parking lights flash once (as they should)
-The instrument panel gauges, fuel pump, etc come on briefly...for like 1 - 1.5 secs. then go off.
 
Nothing else happens. I have tested the wire going to the starter and it never sends voltagle to start the vehicle.
 
Any other ideas?




Posted By: Teken
Date Posted: September 12, 2004 at 2:59 PM
You do a have a proper tach wire attached, and it is also programmed / learned into the system right?




Posted By: cgirtman
Date Posted: September 12, 2004 at 3:35 PM
Yes, the parking lights flash while using the Tach Finder function. I programmed the tach as described in the manual.




Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: September 12, 2004 at 5:00 PM
check any of the fail-safes (hood pin, brake wire) and make sure they not showing when they shouldn't. also, check the neutral safety switch wire (if your alarm is equipped-it must see ground to start) 




Posted By: cgirtman
Date Posted: September 13, 2004 at 9:44 AM

The hood pin does not show ground when the hood is down, it does when the hood is up. The brake wire is showing +12 when the pedal is depressed (the manual shows that this should be the case). The alarm does not have a neutral safety switch wire.

Would the factory keyless entry system have anything to do with it (no alarm, just keyless entry)? I have it wired as described in the manual so that a neg. pulse is sent to the factory disarm wire, but I read somewhere about there being possibly two factory disarm wires and needing a diode to make it work.

Just a thought...I'm clueless...





Posted By: cgirtman
Date Posted: September 13, 2004 at 9:44 AM

The hood pin does not show ground when the hood is down, it does when the hood is up. The brake wire is showing +12 when the pedal is depressed (the manual shows that this should be the case). The alarm does not have a neutral safety switch wire.

Would the factory keyless entry system have anything to do with it (no alarm, just keyless entry)? I have it wired as described in the manual so that a neg. pulse is sent to the factory disarm wire, but I read somewhere about there being possibly two factory disarm wires and needing a diode to make it work.

Just a thought...I'm clueless...





Posted By: italnpimp59
Date Posted: September 13, 2004 at 10:27 AM

ok in the remote start harness of the alarm, make sure you have hooked up BOTH battery1 and battery2 wires even if there is only one battery wire in the ignition harness...hook both battery wires into that wire.  ive seen people only hook up one and both must be hooked up for the alarm to send out 12v thru the starter wire. 



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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: September 13, 2004 at 10:32 AM

If the unit is not outputting a (+) 12 volt signal through the starter wire during remote start, then you have a defective unit. Aside from that make sure that your GROUND is secure & free from paint, oils & dirt. Having a bad ground DOES cause a NO START problem.

Here's another test for you to see if you have the rest of the wires in your installation correct. Splice in another wire onto the BROWN starter wire from the CS unit and jumper this wire to a 12 volt constant source for the same duration that the truck would normally take to start. Of course you want to do this after you press the remote start on the remote FOB and wait the 1.5 seconds after the fuel pump engages and then touch the wires together to manually engage the starter. If you have all the correct wires together, the truck will remain running. If you did not hook up all the right wires, then the truck will not stay running at all.



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cgirtman
Date Posted: September 13, 2004 at 12:05 PM

Thanks, I'll check both power wire again (they are both hooked up) to make sure they are show +12. I'll also try the starter trick.

One other piece of info:

The manual states that after the 3 confirmation beeps and the flash of the parking lights (both which do happen), the parking lights should then come on and stay lit...6 secs later the starter should come on. The parking lights do NOT come on again after the initial flash.

I'll let you know how the test you suggested come out.

Thanks again!





Posted By: pgp01
Date Posted: September 13, 2004 at 7:59 PM
I have a question. Is you start wire from the unit hooked up before the starter kill relay or after it? It has to be after it, It could be why it does not get 12v.




Posted By: cgirtman
Date Posted: September 14, 2004 at 9:30 AM

The starter wire was hooked in after the relay.

I don't know what fixed it, but last night I decided to just scrap the remote start portion of the alarm and just got with it like it was. I tied up all the wiring, stuffed it back into the dash and called it a night. This morning, low and behold I hit the remote start button on the remote to show the wife it wouldn't work and the dern thing started. It didn't stay running but about 5 seconds, so I think I need to re-learn the tach (what do you guys think?). I am guessing that I had a loose connection somewhere.

Thanks for all the help and suggestions. I really appreciate it!

-Girt





Posted By: cgirtman
Date Posted: September 14, 2004 at 10:24 AM

Re-learning the tach fixed the problem with the truck shutting off after about 5 secs.

Thanks again!





Posted By: Teken
Date Posted: September 14, 2004 at 4:09 PM
cgirtman wrote:

Re-learning the tach fixed the problem with the truck shutting off after about 5 secs.

Thanks again!




LOL, you realize that I asked you to varify the tach signal before. posted_image

I would urge you to use your DMM and measure the AC voltage to ensure it is high enough to ensure consistent operation.

Otherwise you will be back on here, asking why.. posted_image

Either take it from the coil, or the injector, using the wire that is not common to the rest on the injector.

Regards

EVIL Teken . . .




Posted By: cgirtman
Date Posted: September 14, 2004 at 5:08 PM

Yep, but the problem ended up being the brake wire which had pulled loose when I was putting everything back in the dash...I didn't realize it at the time. I figured it out when I stepped on the break and it didn't kill the engine as the manual said it would. Once it started, I had to re-teach the tach (that I had found in the beginning) to keep it running...works like a charm other than the brake problem..which I can fix.

Thanks for everything.






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