Remote Start Works Only with Key in Ignition
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=52050
Printed Date: April 25, 2024 at 3:06 PM
Topic: Remote Start Works Only with Key in Ignition
Posted By: kherman123
Subject: Remote Start Works Only with Key in Ignition
Date Posted: March 17, 2005 at 1:57 PM
My remote starter will only work with my key in the ignition to the on or acc position. What do I need to check to troubleshoot this issue?
Replies:
Posted By: sirairun
Date Posted: March 17, 2005 at 2:04 PM
i am guessing that this is a GM or Ford vehicle. there is a security chip in the key that the ignition system needs to see....there are some way to bypass it.... you can use a resister or there are a few kits that you can use. or get a key blank and tie it near the ignition tumbler
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Posted By: thepencil
Date Posted: March 17, 2005 at 2:34 PM
What year and model is this vechile? ------------- Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it. 
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 17, 2005 at 5:45 PM
This could be any vehicle out on the road. As thepencil stated, give us the make, model & year of the vehicle and we can help you better. Chances are you just need to get a bypass module installed or need to install it properly to bypass the chip in the key.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: kherman123
Date Posted: March 17, 2005 at 9:17 PM
It is a 1998 Olds Intrigue equipped with Passlock II. I have DesignTech's 20402 Universal Bypass module installed, but I guess it's not hooked up right. Would the PLDATA bypass module be a better route since it's a little easier to install? If so, I have a question about the PLDATA's bypass module wiring instructions. ( https://www.bypasskit.com/product.aspx?prodid=PLDATA&catid=3) It says to hook the brown wire up to the starter ground, but the only gound that I have is the ground on the starter that is hooked up the the chasis ground. Is this the ground it specifies? If so, why does it say black grounds to chasis, brown grounds to remote starter ground when the go the same place, im a little confused in that aspect.
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 17, 2005 at 9:44 PM
The BROWN wire that the module requires is a wire that is oNLY ground when remote started. The wire has nothing on it until remote activation has begun. This is where the problem is on your installation . Try ground this wire on the 20402 and see if the car cranks over and stays running.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: kherman123
Date Posted: March 17, 2005 at 11:34 PM
Problem is that I don't have a ground only when remote started wire. Here is a list of all the wires on alarm. 
Posted By: kherman123
Date Posted: March 17, 2005 at 11:52 PM
Here is how I have the universal bypass module (DesignTech 20402) wired: 
Here is the diagram I followed to make the IG3 wire: 
Here is a digram for Negative Ignition 1 output, (Con 2 pin 6). The alarm manual says this is for over-riding the Passkey II. I did not hook this wire up because I do not understand the part I highlighted in the picture below, what wire is to be cut on the 'To VATS DECODER MODULE'?, and what wire do I tap into for 'To INGNITION Key Switch'. This wire not being connected is probably my problem, right? 
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 18, 2005 at 12:52 AM
What kind of remote starter is that ? Check to see if the ORANGE wire ( ground when armed ) also can be programmed to act as a ground when running. The highlighted area that you have refers to the Passlock II wires that you can access at the ignition harness behind the radio. There are two wires ( small 16-18 gauge ) and you only need to tape into the YELLOW one as refrenced by the diagram.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: kherman123
Date Posted: March 18, 2005 at 8:47 AM
The alarm is a Mannix SM700, https://www.mannixusa.com/e-catalog.htm. The orange wire can only be used to control the starter kill relay. So I would simply connect 87a on the relay to keyside of yellow passlock wire, 30 to engine side, and 87 to black wire? Could I use the same connections that the universal bypass module uses to cut the yellow wire and bypass it, and and the same tap as the black wire uses?
Posted By: kherman123
Date Posted: March 18, 2005 at 8:53 AM
Do you think that this Negative Ignition 1 output wire is my problem?
Posted By: mladams
Date Posted: March 18, 2005 at 1:41 PM
whances are you can solve the problem of not having a ground when starting output but simply taking a relay and hooking it up as follows: 86 to ground 85 to starter wire 87 to ground 30 to you brown ground when starting on the by[pass module. that way when the vehicle remote starts it will trigger that ground when start relay ------------- Matt Adams
Electrical Engineer Major
York College of PA
Chevy Cavy Rally Sport
Posted By: kherman123
Date Posted: March 18, 2005 at 2:05 PM
I appreciate the relay for making a ground only when remote started, however I am going to try to toy with hooking up the Negative Ignition 1 output relay I posted with the DesignTech 40204 universal bypass module before I purchase the PLDATA bypass module. I don't want to buy another bypass module if I can get the one I have to work. I'll toy with it tonight. i will update how that goes.
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