Hood Pin Alternatives For Remote Start?
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Topic: Hood Pin Alternatives For Remote Start?
Posted By: muaiad97
Subject: Hood Pin Alternatives For Remote Start?
Date Posted: October 16, 2005 at 8:58 PM
hi everyone i have question about hood pin . hood pin is very nessecery to installed when car has remot starter last week i was changing oil for my friend car and the hood was opend and the remot was in his packet and it wasnt in his hand the car started without pushing any buttom so we dont know what happend !!!!! the car started with hood up ? and was no oil in the engine after that we found that the hood pin was stuck becaus was rusted this not first car like that too many car i have seen the hood pin allways not working so my question is ther any thing else to use instead hood pin like sensor or anything to make it safer for everyone thanx
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Posted By: thepencil
Date Posted: October 16, 2005 at 9:55 PM
The hood pin will work till the salt truck come around the second time. After that it's pretty much rusted. If you want a 99.9% fail safe hood pin just tap a toggle switch on to it. And the 0.1% fail rate is when you don't remember to switch it on. ------------- Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it.
Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: October 17, 2005 at 12:35 AM
every one of my hood pins gets a squirt from the anit-corrosion spray bottle.
------------- Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: October 17, 2005 at 4:14 AM
I don't bother with hood pins any more...they rust or break so dang quick that the car won't start with the hood closed, or will start with it open. A toggle switch is the way to go, as long as the customer knows where it's at.
------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
My service is cheap, quick, and good - pick any two
Posted By: mo12v
Date Posted: October 17, 2005 at 8:25 AM
thepencil wrote:
The hood pin will work till the salt truck come around the second time. After that it's pretty much rusted. If you want a 99.9% fail safe hood pin just tap a toggle switch on to it. And the 0.1% fail rate is when you don't remember to switch it on.
chriswallace187 wrote:
I don't bother with hood pins any more...they rust or break so dang quick that the car won't start with the hood closed, or will start with it open. A toggle switch is the way to go, as long as the customer knows where it's at.
I can't figure it out........ Rather than spend a $ 1.00 more for the chance at having a Safer, Better, Secure, & Recommended Way of Installation, I see there are those that want to do there own way of install in the name of there own Safety. What happened to those Hood PIN Switches that are supposed to prevent Remote Start for Safety? What happened to those ( although many don't notice ) Stickers under the Hood Notifying of Remote Start? I would NOT like the Idea of a Vehicle leaving the shop withOUT a Hood PIN SWitch of some sort. There are to many types out there that Last as Long as the Vehicle. The Customer, 2nd Owner, MECHANIC, or who ever raises that Hood deserves to be protected by the INSTALLER of the Remotes Start. Simply telling a Customer to flick a switch is NOT my idea of Safety................ ------------- MO
Don't Learn from Others Mistakes
You Might Be the One That Knows.
Posted By: thepencil
Date Posted: October 17, 2005 at 1:29 PM
I have never been advise that ignorance is an excuse. I have also never been very successful into teaching the value of common sense.
mo12v] wrote:
I can't figure it out........
Rather than spend a $ 1.00 more for the chance at having a Safer, Better, Secure, & Recommended Way of Installation, I see there are those that want to do there own way of install in the name of there own Safety.
What happened to those Hood PIN Switches that are supposed to prevent Remote Start for Safety?
What happened to those ( although many don't notice ) Stickers under the Hood Notifying of Remote Start?
I would NOT like the Idea of a Vehicle leaving the shop withOUT a Hood PIN SWitch of some sort. There are to many types out there that Last as Long as the Vehicle.
The Customer, 2nd Owner, MECHANIC, or who ever raises that Hood deserves to be protected by the INSTALLER of the Remotes Start.
Simply telling a Customer to flick a switch is NOT my idea of Safety................
On the user guide of most remote starter manual the owner is advise that they should put the remote starter in VALET MODE if they are loaning the vehicle to someone who is not familiar with the device or when the vehicle is put into a garage for servicing.
I would probably invest much of my time and effort if the marginal benefit clearly outweighs the time and effort in doing so. Yes, I couldn’t agree with you more mo12v that you cannot place a value on safety. However, after countless of remote starter over the years, I have yet heard on the news that a faulty hood pin from a remote starter install has cause serious bodily injuries. I think if there were any serious safely issue concern; I think government inspection would be impose on every install. Personally, I think spending the extra 5 minutes and explaining to your customer what the hood pin does and safety sticker put in place is all that is need to reinforce the safety feature that you have put in place. I am not a licence electrician or a lot of people who change their own light bulb on a regular basis when they are brunt out. However, I do understand the danger of it and will shut the light switch off first before attempting to replace the light bulb. I also do understand not to stick my finger into the socket to see if there is any electricity left in it because I know if I do it can kill me. Also, I do know that there are no safety feature put in place for my idiotic, but yet simple and odd way of testing. That being said, I think most will agree with me that the burden of safety should not be carry only on the the installer, but the end user as well.
------------- Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it.
Posted By: knucklehead
Date Posted: October 19, 2005 at 5:20 PM
Where is a good place to get either of these switches?
Posted By: knucklehead
Date Posted: October 19, 2005 at 5:23 PM
bobk]M wrote:
rcury or magnetic switches are my choice.
Sorry about the above post. Apparently Firefox doesn't do the quotes very well. I meant these switches.
Posted By: knucklehead
Date Posted: October 19, 2005 at 6:13 PM
Thanks Bob.
Posted By: bassop823
Date Posted: October 19, 2005 at 8:47 PM
Personally if the car has a light underneath the hood just wire a relay off of it so you can get ground and use it for the hood pin switch. I know this may take a little work, but you do not have to drill more holes on the vehicle.
------------- bassop
Posted By: knucklehead
Date Posted: October 19, 2005 at 10:07 PM
Yep, Bassop I did that. And then I learned a valuable lesson. I knew the switch for the hood light was a tilt switch, I just never bothered to check to see how far up the hood needs to be raised before the light turns on. Turns out on my truck, that's about half way up. Considering this input doubles as an alarm trigger that wasn't good. Going to try the magnetic switch now. And the wiring and relay job was soooo perfect. Got to love Murphy and his stupid laws!
Posted By: bassop823
Date Posted: October 20, 2005 at 7:45 AM
Never thought about that, but I guess I need to check mine to see how far it has to be raised before the light comes on. ------------- bassop
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: October 20, 2005 at 2:19 PM
i've done hundreds of starters and never had a problem using a pin switch under the hood...it's safe and they come with them.... sure you may have to spring for a pin switch mounting bracket sometimes, but big deal.... magnetic switches are as big a pain or more to align and mount and mercury switches are a pain in the butt if customer parks on any kind of incline at all... they are only practical if you park flat on the street... too much slope one way and it wont start, too much the other way and it will start with the hood almost all the way up..... ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: knucklehead
Date Posted: October 20, 2005 at 3:05 PM
My problem with the pin switches is corrosion. They get corrosion on them and don't show ground when closed. I've tried several different brands and types, and still have the same problem. I don't want to have to mess with a magnetic switch, but I need that thing to work. If you can give me a type of pin switch and a place to buy it, that you use and know is reliable, I'd definately give it a shot.
Posted By: thepencil
Date Posted: October 20, 2005 at 4:14 PM
Replacing the pins often with a spray of WD40 to it is probably your best solution. The pins don’t cost an arm and a leg to purchase, beside it will give you the added security that you worry about. ------------- Be careful whose advice you buy, but be patient with those who supply it.
Posted By: mo12v
Date Posted: October 20, 2005 at 4:55 PM
Also Try Conductive Grease or Contact Silicone... Should be available @ Radio Snack or Electronics store
------------- MO
Don't Learn from Others Mistakes
You Might Be the One That Knows.
Posted By: knucklehead
Date Posted: October 21, 2005 at 10:35 AM
Because I'm a firm believer in trying the simplest fix first, I'll give dielectric grease a shot. Thanx
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