Breathalyzer in 2004 saturn Ion
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Topic: Breathalyzer in 2004 saturn Ion
Posted By: tintman97
Subject: Breathalyzer in 2004 saturn Ion
Date Posted: October 22, 2005 at 10:07 PM
Might be the wrong fourm please move this post MOD if required K anyone got any ideas. Weve never run into these before not sure how to approach it. Drager breathalyzer. Im sure alot of you are firmilar with these Useal wiring Cut starter wire. Wire one half to one side of unit. One to the other to complete the loop throungh the internal relays Wire ingition wire and horn output DONE Customer blows into unit passes and the car will start Well I understand passlock and all that but its the hook up of both i guess i just cant put it together in my head. Also the canyon and colorado are the same correct
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Posted By: redpeppers
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 12:56 AM
that car has not start wire at the igntion harness.....w/o the install diagram i couldn't tell u how to wire it up.....but it would be easy.....
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Where theres is a wire there's a way.
Posted By: tintman97
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 9:29 AM
the install diagram for the car or the breathalyzer itself. I got the wire guide for the ion. There is no install diagrams for the breathalyzer. Snapper
Posted By: CutDog504
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 11:32 AM
are you trying to install a breathalyzer? Or are you trying to bypass one that the authorities have installed on your car?
Posted By: tintman97
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 2:44 PM
Standalone No RS NO Alarm. I am a authorized installer in the state of iowa IDOT. The distributors have not figured this out yet useally passlock and all that is still no biggie cause there is a starter wire NOW cause there is not were having probs. The ion is the first we have had this happen with. Drager dont do RS or alarms so this as all new to them also. Snapper
Posted By: 78musicman
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 4:15 PM
so the breathalizer starts the car or allows the key to start it.Which one?I would think it could be wired into the Data ECM to data Key.With a relay to give it connection or not.Just a thought ,my colorado is the same as far a the resistance deal with no starter wires.But i am new, so i am learning.
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colorado tap the rockies
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 4:49 PM
The breathalizer allows the key to start the car..... Tintman97, if I were you, I would be in the manufactures face....they need to be able to give you proper technical support and advice. You don't want your "customer" getting a bunch of false readings and having the court system needing explanation. In Washington state, these laws are tough as nails.....mistakes are not so easily forgiven. I would say DO NOT put your neck (contract) on the line trying to figure out how to do the installation on this type of car, this type of ignition system is getting ever more popular....the manufacturer needs to keep up with the times. just my opinion. -------------
Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 4:55 PM
Directwire also list a (-) starter wire under the hood that goes from the ECM to the starter. Should be yellow in pin 66 at the large plug at the ECM. The ECM (Engine Control Module) is on the driver side of engine compartment, near coolant over flow container.
I would try to find that wire and interupt it.
Posted By: tintman97
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 7:08 PM
Kartuneman I under stand that the manufactur should but they are very slow with anything what they have told us is to turn away the customer. Dragers a good company just slow on R&D. Ever drink beer they invented the ball tap LOL. Now they make breathalyzers. I appricate all help in the matter. Im not puttin my head on the line just wondering if anyone has done it already. Snapper
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 7:36 PM
https://www.ignition-interlock.com/ heres a link for a business in my area......maybe talk with them.....its a free call! -------------
Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 8:52 PM
The guys next door do them as well, and I gave them a hand on one in a Colorado. The principle will remain the same. You have to interrupt something to make sure the vehicle will not crank, correct? The easiest thing to do would be to interrupt the Passlock data wire at the key. If the ECM doesen't recieve the correct resistance in the start position, it will not trigger the starter......
There is an ignition feed at the key, and there is a tach signal as well. I will double check tomorrow with the shop next door as to how the Colorado is working.
Like I said, you need to interrupt whatever cranks the motor, so I would go after the Passlock Data wire (if it fails while it is running, you get a light..... the vehicle will still run)
HTH
Gus
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Wherever I go, that is where I end up......
Posted By: tintman97
Date Posted: October 23, 2005 at 10:08 PM
Awsome Gus1 thats what i was thinkin myself but not sure if it would work that way make perfect sence though. Find out about that colorado id appricate that. You guys are great Snapper
Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: October 24, 2005 at 1:18 PM
STARTER 1 yellow (not for remote start) - pin 48 or 46, blue plug, ecm
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Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta
Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: October 24, 2005 at 5:21 PM
Will have a definate answer on Tues. AM as to what they do on these things here in MB. There is an interlock training seminar that I'm going to at the shop next door and just be a fly on the wall (that, and they want to grill me for info I'm sure...)
Gus
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Wherever I go, that is where I end up......
Posted By: tintman97
Date Posted: October 24, 2005 at 8:36 PM
Awsome sounds good to me bud Snapper
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