Cheap Skate ford chip key owners
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: June 08, 2024 at 11:41 AM
Topic: Cheap Skate ford chip key owners
Posted By: Sierra2700
Subject: Cheap Skate ford chip key owners
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 1:14 PM
I keep getting ford people comming into the shop wanting to have a remote starter installed. This is not my problem, my problem is most of them only have 1 key, I tell them to goto the dealer and most say they already have and the dealer wants 100 bucks for the new key and to have it programmed. Is there a way to safely bypass this system with only 1 key, basically have the chiped key hidden somewhere, sending a signal to the ignition barrel, and then have a non chipped key inserted into the ignition barrel and turned in order to drive off, in order for this to work, i understand you would probably have to have the remote start output a signal to the universal bypass kit to give off the chip'ed key signal. Please don't tell me how this defeats the security portion of the ford system, I understand the ability to be able to steal the car, but you would still need a key in order to start the key with out the transmitter. What im asking is can it be done easily and how can it be done. Side note; is there a way to program a chiped key with only 1 chiped key present or do you have to take both keys to the dealer?
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Posted By: redpeppers
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 1:18 PM
both key must be present on 98 and up fords......check out https://www.howardkeys.com/ they have cheap keys most of them around 10 bucks not cut ......but they do have transponders and most of them have instructions on how to program......but then again to program u will prolly need 2 keys..... ------------- Where theres is a wire there's a way.
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 1:42 PM
most ford keys can be programmed simply.....BUT you need 2 originals to program a new one...your correct in your thread topic..."cheap skates" the customer wants to have a remote start, is willing to spend hundereds of dollars, but then finds out they need to spend 1 hundered more.....for a key.... tell them you cant do the job till they buck up, and get a key........... -------------
Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 1:58 PM
go to a locksmith or a hardware store to have a key made instead of the dealers, most charge only 30-60 for a key
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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 2:13 PM
infinkc wrote:
go to a locksmith or a hardware store to have a key made instead of the dealers, most charge only 30-60 for a key
Do ya think the'll program it for that charge as well? -------------
Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 2:25 PM
Nope, good luck finding a lock smith to do it cheaper than the dealer, locksmiths generally charge nearly double what the dealer charges. I do roadside assistance for chrysler, nissan, honda, toyota. I call a locksmith about 15 times a day for a key made with a transponder, the cheapest i have seen was $180.
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Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 2:41 PM
If permanently defeating the factory immobilizer is not a concern, then there's a much easier way to bypass it. Get a plain metal key made. Place the transponder key on top of the key cylinder, and make sure that it's in a position where the antenna ring is receiving its signal(you'll know this by the fact that the car starts with the metal key, doesn't shut off right away, and the security light is off).
At this point you can secure the transponder key to the ignition cylinder, and cut off the shaft if you want to.
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C Renner's Auto Electronix
My service is cheap, quick, and good - pick any two
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 3:36 PM
or you could disregard the previous advice and do it properly......
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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 3:47 PM
Sierra2700 wrote:
Is there a way to safely bypass this system with only 1 key, basically have the chiped key hidden somewhere, sending a signal to the ignition barrel, and then have a non chipped key inserted into the ignition barrel and turned in order to drive off, in order for this to work, i understand you would probably have to have the remote start output a signal to the universal bypass kit to give off the chip'ed key signal.
Please don't tell me how this defeats the security portion of the ford system, I understand the ability to be able to steal the car, but you would still need a key in order to start the key with out the transmitter.
What im asking is can it be done easily and how can it be done.
I should have disclaimed myself; the proper way to bypass a transponder immobilizer system for remote starting is with a bypass module or with a relay to only send the key's signal when the remote start is activated. Gluing/tieing the key head to the ignition switch will permanently bypass the factory immobilizer, and if your customers are too cheap to pay for another key then you should definitely have them sign a release of liability form.
However, that method will work for what was asked in the first post; that's why I posted it. ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
My service is cheap, quick, and good - pick any two
Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 4:31 PM
Alpine Guy wrote:
Nope, good luck finding a lock smith to do it cheaper than the dealer, locksmiths generally charge nearly double what the dealer charges. I do roadside assistance for chrysler, nissan, honda, toyota. I call a locksmith about 15 times a day for a key made with a transponder, the cheapest i have seen was $180.
wow i use to work at a hardware store and we would only charge people $45-55 for a gm or ford key programmed., the blanks only ran us about 15-35 cost usd. you can even buy them online on ebay for about that price, if you do enough of them you might want to consider that and charge the customer less than a locksmith or dealer, most cars are user programable and dot require a programmer. i can get the list of programable cars without a programmer if you are interested. ------------- There are 10 types of people in the world, ones that understand binary and ones that dont.
Posted By: Sierra2700
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 5:20 PM
Thanks chriswallace187, that was the information I was looking for.
Posted By: OhioMike1101
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 8:49 PM
www.bypasskits.com makes a couple ford bypasses that only require 1 key for programming.
Posted By: northern
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 9:07 PM
As far as I know, all of them require 2 keys for programming. This is for a 02 explorer... Maybe some fords you get by with 1 key to program.
Posted By: OhioMike1101
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 9:42 PM
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