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04 Trailblazer, Alarm, R/S trouble

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: June 01, 2024 at 11:58 AM


Topic: 04 Trailblazer, Alarm, R/S trouble

Posted By: gordinho80
Subject: 04 Trailblazer, Alarm, R/S trouble
Date Posted: March 11, 2006 at 9:48 PM

i installed a Clifford Matrix RS3 in my 04 TrailBlazer...I used the DEI 457GW bypass for the locks and the R/S...

the doors lock and unlock fine, but there are some other things i noticed wrong with the functioning...

1. R/S will not Activate, the alarm is a 2 way system, i had it installed in my Mercedes prior to the TrailBlazer and whenever i hit the Lock + Unlock buttons together, the remote itself would chirp and indicate that the remote start had been activated. it will not do this in the TB nor does the system actually try to start the car...does the 457GW need the R/S programmed as it needed the locks programmed?

2. the dome lights do NOT come on when i unlock the alarm, it did in my old car...however, when i LOCK the car, the light comes on for a second and then turns off...

3. the SECURITY light in the TB's Instument cluster is on ALL the time...well, maybe not ALL of the time, it is not on if the car is off and the alarm is not locked...however, even with the car running and me driving around, that light is on...

has anyone encounterred these problems? luckily, the 457GW does lock the rear latch, i had read some threads were it would not always lock the latch...believe it was mostly in the 02 models though...

thanks...
Mario



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Posted By: xscash
Date Posted: March 11, 2006 at 10:20 PM

i assume that this is the only bypass peice you are using...because it is all you need.

this product has a learn routine...unplug the 457 ...hold the micro switch while plugging in ...do not release...turn the key on but do not start...when the led on the 457 starts to blink...release and start the car.

that is the learn routine.  that should do it.   however i just replaced on in a customers car that was malfunctioning

xs





Posted By: snotdobbs
Date Posted: March 11, 2006 at 10:50 PM

Use the right interface.  One wire connection to the truck, boom your done.

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Posted By: gordinho80
Date Posted: March 12, 2006 at 12:30 AM
i appreciate the information, however, your post does NOT even attempt to answer any of my questions...




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 12, 2006 at 10:46 AM
1. You need to program the 457G to learn the Passlock code on the TB. Also, make sure that the ground when running wire is hooked up to teh 457G otherwise it will not know when to turn on when remote started.

2. There might be a program option in the 457G that allows you to change the duration of the dome light. Obviously you hooked up the door trigger to the 457G, right ?

3. If you have the SECURITY light on it's because the status output/ground when running wire is not operating the 457G properly or the Clifford unit is not sending out a proper ground signal to the bypass module. Where did you ground the Clifford and the 457G module?

-------------
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: gordinho80
Date Posted: March 12, 2006 at 11:56 AM
Jeff, thank you, i think i may have chosen a bad ground for the system. now that i am thinking back, i remember a similar problem in the past where the system was not grounded well...

the problem with the dome light is not duration, it comes on when i arm the alarm, not when i disarm...which is what i want it to do...i have the Grey/black wire from the 457gw hooked up to the grey/black wire on the front driver dome light assembly...which is what a DEI certified installer told me to do...

thanks...
Mario




Posted By: Fastlearner
Date Posted: March 12, 2006 at 2:57 PM
Check the features on the r/s itself. There may be a programming feature for it. I know most dei's have that option. It might have forgotten it when you took it out.




Posted By: gordinho80
Date Posted: March 12, 2006 at 10:16 PM
re ran the ground, not the remote start activates, but the engine still wont crank...

also, vehicle's Security light is still always on...dome lights still not working with doors...




Posted By: electroz
Date Posted: March 12, 2006 at 10:26 PM
Do what I did. Go to circuit city and buy a new 457g module. Come home and unplug yours and plug in the new one while holding down the learn button on the 457g then turn the key to on. See if it works. I got a 457g on ebay for $5 brand new. It was a DUD. Did the circuit city thing and whala, it worked. These modules seem to be hit and miss for a functioning one.




Posted By: Fastlearner
Date Posted: March 12, 2006 at 11:36 PM

The dome light problem has to be a programming issue since your domelights work with the lock. I would definetly check your install manual. With the car not starting i would also check the 457g. I've seen some wierd problems with those. For the security light try unplugging the negative terminal on the battery for ten minutes and see if it dissapears.





Posted By: snotdobbs
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 6:39 AM

what wires did you connect from the rs3 to the 457gw?  did you make your connection to the data wire on the obdII connection after you had Everything else plugged in?  If not disconnect the data output wire from the 457g and then disconnect the 457gw harness.  Let it sit and discharge for 5 minutes.  Then plug it back in and the FINAL step in the install process willthen be to connect the data wire to the obdII connector.  I HAVE had issues with any bypass in these gm's if the data wire is connected before plugging in the interface where the interface wont learn the vehicle.  Neway if you are still having problems try DISCONNECTING the data wire and the passlock connections ( and any other connections you may have had to make with this bypass): return them to their original condition and try starting the vehicle....DOES the security light on the dash still stay on?  Does the dome light operate properly at this point?  If so you can almost for sure pin the problem on the 457gw.  I realize my original post did not offer you any ideas to fix your problem but thats because the problems you are having sound like they are related to the interface crapping out.  The peripheral part i suggested is a one wire connection to the vehicle and eliminates the need to cut into the passlock wires (unlike the dei piece).  One other thing to check...did you connect anything else to the remote starts status output?  If so (and you may not beliieve me but....) perhaps it is backfeeding into the 457g and causing these issues....this can easliy be fixed by isolating these parts from each other with a simple diode( no relay required for something like this)  These new GM trucks are IDENTICAL in wiring and when you have problems like this it is almost always an issue with your interface. 





Posted By: gordinho80
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 9:03 AM
snotdobbs,

thank you for that information, just an update, i did tap the data wire before finishing the install, so i will be removing it and the harness from the 457 to see if thats it...

just an FYI, i did not cut any Passlock wires, i used a T Harness for the Ignition wires, there were 6 wires coming off of the T...

(2) Constant 12v
(1) Ignition
(1) 2nd Ign
(1) Acc
(1) Starter

all wires hooked up correctly...




Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 9:04 AM
1. The DEI 547G does NOT activate the domelight with unlock. Return it and get a GM-DLBP, or hook up the domelight supervision output from your aftermarket alarm.

2. As far as the remote start turning on, but not cranking.

--A. Have you tested the Trailblazer's yellow starter wire, and verified that it is receiving power when the remote start tries to crank the engine.

--B. Is the ground-when-running output from the remote starter, connected to the ground-when-running input of the 457G? (I belive DEI calls it the "status" wire.)

If so, have you tested the wire at the plug for the 457G, verifying that it is receiving ground during remote start?




Posted By: gordinho80
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 12:08 PM
Chris,

Will be disconnecting the Domelight supervision output from Clifford unit and hooking it up with a relay to the a domelight...see if that works out for me...

with the remote start...

A. Starter wire is receiving the power when remote start tries to crank the engine...

B. if you mean the "h1/1 Orange (-) ground-when-armed output", then no...was told that this wire is not used...

i think i just found the problem...
from the 457GW, i have the Blue/White (-) Input Ground when running connected to the h1/3 Blue/White on the Clifford, which is the color mentioned in the 457's instructions...

but looking over the manuals again now, i see that the H1/3 blue/white from the clifford is (-) Remote Start Activation Input...NOT Status Output...

looks like i have 2 options for the Output...

H1/12 RED / White (-) 200mA Channel 2 Output
or
H3/2 Blue/Black (-) 200mA Optional Third Ignition Ouput

any ideas?




Posted By: gordinho80
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 3:42 PM
BUMP?




Posted By: bhurlebaus
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 5:53 PM
use the 3rd ignition output that will give you your ground out while running




Posted By: snotdobbs
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 8:00 PM

yeah that'll do the trick





Posted By: gordinho80
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 9:07 AM
just hooked up the blue/white from the 457gw to the 3rd ign out...took care of remote start and security light issue...THANKS ALL

now, the only problem is the fact that the alarm does not recognize when the doors are open and constantly is arming itself...

for all who have used a 457GW in a Trailblazer, where did you connect the Grey/Black from the 457? was told to tap into grey/black at rear fuse box, i see 2 grey/black wires there, one on the tan plug, one on the blue plug of the BCM...neither work...




Posted By: gordinho80
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 12:18 PM
anyone have insight as to where to connect the Grey/Black from the 457?




Posted By: gordinho80
Date Posted: March 16, 2006 at 10:35 AM
Just noticed that when i start my car with the key, the SECURITY light stays on...if I remote start it, it does not come on...

I do not have the Gray/Black wire from the 457 plugged into anything as I am still trying to figure out what wire to connect it to on the TrailBlazer...

anyone have any insight on this issue?

Thanks...
Mario




Posted By: doibuy
Date Posted: March 16, 2006 at 9:12 PM
The Grey/Black wire needs to be connected to the dome light wire of the vehicle.  Then you will connect the green wire to the (-)negative door trigger input on your alarm.  This will only catch the front two doors and the rear hatch, you must tap the rear doors individually,  the colors are GREEN/ black and light blue/black.  You can find each one under the rear door sills, or under the back seat behind the fuse box, under the carpet, not wires going into the fuse box.  That should fix your door trigger issues.





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