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Momentary ground deactivation with a 12V signal

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Topic: Momentary ground deactivation with a 12V signal

Posted By: 167mph
Subject: Momentary ground deactivation with a 12V signal
Date Posted: August 28, 2016 at 12:03 PM

I need to solve a peculiar problem that I hope one of you can help with.

I need to be able to disconnect a constant ground possibly using a relay for less than 1/2 a second using a 12V trigger that stays active for more than 1/2 a second.

Thank you in advance.



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Posted By: lurch228
Date Posted: August 28, 2016 at 3:35 PM
How much more of a Time are we talking about for the 12v?

If less than a second this should work with one change connect ground to 87a instead of 87. If time is still too long then use smaller Capaictor to shorten the time.

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Posted By: 167mph
Date Posted: August 28, 2016 at 6:59 PM
I'll have to time to 12v feed. I'm pretty sure it stays active for more than a few seconds.

I saw this schematic in the library but I need to make sure the ground is constant. Will moving the ground from 87 to 87a correct this? The 12v feed needs to be the only way the ground is momentarily disrupted for less than 1/2 second for me to get the correct setting. If the ground is disrupted for longer than 1/2 a second the setting will change to a function that I do not need. What size capacitor do you recommend?

Thanks again.




Posted By: 167mph
Date Posted: August 28, 2016 at 7:10 PM
Also, what wattage should the resistor be?




Posted By: lurch228
Date Posted: August 28, 2016 at 8:31 PM
1/4 watt is fine for relay usage. Start with the listed size capacitor and test it.

If you have to get a few seconds of off time from pulse you will have to play around with a higher resistance to slow down the discharge of the cap to allow the 12v to turn off or you will get a cycle on and off of the relay..
If you understand that the flow to charge the cap is turning on the relay and the flow stops when the cap is fully charged turning the relay off. and the resistor is bleeding off the charge at a given rate. Then increasing the resistance or lowering the leak will charge it a little bit faster and keep it charged longer before turning the relay coil back on.




Posted By: 167mph
Date Posted: September 03, 2016 at 3:57 PM
Got it figured out. Thanks again.




Posted By: lurch228
Date Posted: September 03, 2016 at 4:22 PM
No problem.





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