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2003 silverado, viper 5904, dball wiring


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bobby speer 
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Posted: May 02, 2013 at 4:49 PM / IP Logged  
Thank you for previous help. I am installing a viper 5904, dball bypass, 508d field disturbance sensor, in 2003 silverado, k2500hd, diesel, but had to abandon for several months, due to job. I have connected as below, think I followed programming steps correctly, and all alarm functions seem to operate, but for remote starting, the engine cranks, then apparently dies or is killed (3 times). I increased cranking time to 2 seconds. The control unit flashes 1 time for immobilizer. What next?
Would like to request your expertise reviewing my following wiring efforts:
-Main Harness, 6-pin connector
-H1/1: Red, (+)12VDC Constant Input. [Connected to (+) 12VDC battery bus]
-H1/2:Black, (-) Chassis ground. [Connected to chassis ground]
-H1/3:Brown, (+) Siren Output. [Connected to red wire in siren]
-H1/4:WHITE/ Brown, Parking light isolation wire-pin 87a of onboard relay [N/A]
-H1/5:White, Parking light output. [Do I need to connect to parking light (+) wire?]
-H1/6:Orange, (-)500mA Ground when armed output, [N/A]
Aux/Shutdown/Trigger Harness, 24-pin connector
-H2/1:Pink/White, (-) 200mA Ignition/Flex relay control output [Unsure?]
-H2/2:BLACK/ White, (-) Neutral safety input. [Connected to chassis ground]
-H2/3:Blue/White, (-) 200mA 2nd status/rear defogger output [N/A]
-H2/4:GREEN/ Black, (-) 200mA OEM Alarm disarm output. [Connected to 528T Wait to Start relay, blk/white wire(relay instructions)]
-H2/5:RED / White, (-) 200mA Truck Release output. [NA]
-H2/6:Green, (-) Door trigger input (n/c or n/o). [Connected to dball (-) door status output, GREEN / WHITE wire]
-H2/7:BLACK / YELLOW, (-) 200mA Dome light supervision output. [Unsure if I need this one?]
-H2/8:BROWN / Black,(-)200mA Horn honk output. [Unsure?]
-H2/9:Dark Blue, (-) 200mA status output. [GWR connected to dball (-) GWR Status Input, blue/white wire]
-H2/10:Pink, (-) 200mA Ignition 1 output. [Unsure?]
-H2/11:WHITE/ Black, (-) 200mA AUX 3 output. [Unsure?]
-H2/12:Violet, (+) door trigger input. [Do I need this with dball w2w?]
-H2/13:WHITE/ Violet, (-) 200mA Aux 1 output. [Unsure?]
-H2/14:Violet/Black, (-) 200mA Aux 2 output. [Unsure?]
-H2/15:ORANGE / Black, (-) 200mA Aux 4 output. [Unsure?]
-H2/16:Brown, (+) Brake Shutdown Input. [Connected to brake switch, (+) white wire]
-H2/17:Grey, (-) Hood pin input (n/c or n/o). [Connected to hood pin switch]
-H2/18:Violet / YELLOW, (-) 200mA Starter output. [Unsure?]
-H2/19:Blue, (-)Truck pin/instant trigger input (n/c or n/o). [N/A, unless use for tailgate or toolbox pin switch]
-H2/20:Grey/Black, (-) Diesel Wait to Start input. [Connected to 528T Wait to Start relay, brown wire]
-H2/21:WHITE/ Blue, (-) Remote start/turbo timer activation input. [N/A]
-H2/22:Orange, (-) 200mA Accessory output. [Connected ACC2 relay coil pin 85]
-H2/23:Violet/White, tachometer input. [Connected instrument panel white tachometer wire]
-H2/24:GREEN / WHITE, (-) 200mA OEM alarm arm ouput. [Unsure?]
Remote Start, 10-pin heavy gauge connector
-H3/1:Pink, (+) Ignition 1 input/output. [Connected to ignition harness pink wire & dball 10 pin (+) pink, Ignition Input]
-H3/2:RED / White, (+) Fused (30A) ignition 2 / Flex relay input 87. [Connected to (+) 12 VDC battery bus]
-H3/3:Orange, (+) Accessory Output. [Connected to ignition harness orange wire]
-H3/4:Violet, (+) Starter output (car side of the starter kill). [Connected ignition harness yellow wire starter side & dball 10 pin (+) violet, Starter Input]
-H3/5:Green, (+) Starter input (key side of the starter kill). [Connected to ignition harness yellow wire switch side]
-H3/6:Red, (+) Fused (30A)ignition 1 input. [Connected to (+) 12 VDC battery bus]
-H3/7:Pink/White, (+) Ignition 2/ Flex Relay output. [Connected to RED / Black wire in ignition harness]
-H3/8:Pink/Black, (+) Flex relay input 87a key side [N/A, Unsure?]
-H3/9:RED / Black, (+) Fused (30A) Accessory/Starter input. [Connected to (+) 12 VDC battery bus]
-H3/10: No connection.
Door Lock , 3-pin connector
-1:Blue, (-) 500mA Unlock Output. [Connected to dball 10 pin (-) blue, Unlock Input]
-3:Green, (-) 500mA Lock Output. [Connected to dball 10 pin (-) green, Lock Input]
ACC2 Relay
-Relay pins 86 & 87: [Connected to (+) 12 VDC battery bus]
-Relay pin 30: [Connected to ignition harness ACC2, brown wire]
Neutral Safety Switch
Plugged into 5904 Neutral Safety Switch port.
DBALL (additional to connections shown above)
-14 pin: (+) 12V Red, pin 13.[Connected (+) 12VDC battery bus]
-14 pin: (-) Ground black, pin 14. [Connected chassis ground]
-14 pin: Violet / YELLOW, pin 2. [Connected to OBDII violet wire]
5904 Shock Sensor
-Plugged 5904 shock sensor harness into Sensor 1 port
508D Field Disturbance Sensor
-Cut / peeled red wire from harness [Connected to (+) 12VDC battery bus], then connected harness to 5904 Sensor 2 port; though, unsure if (-) black harness wire should peel and connect chassis ground or remain in connector body
(+) 12VDC Battery Bus - I fabricated a (+) 12 VDC copper bar bus, connected to battery via 3/0 welding type cable, protected (over) with 100A ANL fuse, for alarm, then radio/DVR/amps, soon.
kreg357 
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Posted: May 02, 2013 at 5:26 PM / IP Logged  

While it is not mandatory, the H1/5 White Parking Light wire should be connected to the

Gray/Black wire at the BCM, brown plug, pin B2.   This wire requires a (-) input, so set
the Vipers Parking Light Jumper/Fuse to (-).

H3/7 should go to the White wire in the ignition wire harness.  This is the Ignition2 wire.

The Viper Flex relay output default is IGN2.  H3/8 is not used.

The ACC2 relay looks good except the +12V input should be fused at 30 Amps.

Soldering is fun!
buddholly 
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Posted: May 02, 2013 at 8:40 PM / IP Logged  
I would use Ground When Armed for the ground on the 508d.
bobby speer 
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Location: United States
Posted: May 05, 2013 at 9:59 AM / IP Logged  
Thank you kreg and buddholly. I mistakenly wrote that I connected H3/7 pink/white to /red, but was actually connected to white. I connected H1/5 white to B2 gray/black, H1/6 orange GWA to 508d, and fused ACC2 relay. Is there a programming feature to defeat OEM immobilizer that I have missed?
buddholly 
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Posted: May 09, 2013 at 11:59 AM / IP Logged  
The OBD2 data wire does the immobilizer bypass part. Did the module program correctly? I believe you just start the vehicle and the dball should go solid green.
bobby speer 
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Location: United States
Posted: May 20, 2013 at 12:41 PM / IP Logged  
kreg357, buddholly - I did re-check wiring, in accordance with dball GM4-w2w diagram, noticed I had connected dball 10 pin pink to Ign pink and dball 10 pin violet to to ignition harness yellow wire, starter side. I disconnected those and re-did dball w2w, module programming. Got orange led, then red led, and 3 second green light after key starting. All alarm functions operate. I then attempted remote start, which produced engine cranking, appears to be starting but is then killed, with truck horn honking (pulsing). Corrected and included my wiring table. Is the dball problemmatic? I read numerous postings, praising the idatalink ADS, but there is not dealer locally. Amazon sells ADS and their weblink cable, but how to get flashed?
    
-Main Harness, 6-pin connector
-H1/1: Red, (+)12VDC Constant Input. [Connected to (+) 12VDC battery bus]
-H1/2:Black, (-) Chassis ground. [Connected to chassis ground]
-H1/3:Brown, (+) Siren Output. [Connected to red wire in siren]
-H1/4:WHITE/ Brown, Parking light isolation wire-pin 87a of onboard relay [N/A]
-H1/5:White, Parking light output. [Connected to parking light B2, gray/black wire, positioned jumper fuse to (-)].
-H1/6:Orange, (-)500mA Ground when armed output, [Connected to 508d (-) black wire]
Aux/Shutdown/Trigger Harness, 24-pin connector
-H2/1:Pink/White, (-) 200mA Ignition/Flex relay control output [Unsure?]
-H2/2:BLACK/ White, (-) Neutral safety input. [Unsure?]
-H2/3:Blue/White, (-) 200mA 2nd status/rear defogger output [N/A]
-H2/4:GREEN/ Black, (-) 200mA OEM Alarm disarm output. [Connected to 528T Wait to Start relay, blk/white wire(relay instructions)]
-H2/5:RED / White, (-) 200mA Truck Release output. [NA]
-H2/6:Green, (-) Door trigger input (n/c or n/o). [Connected dball (-) door status output, GREEN / WHITE wire]
-H2/7:BLACK / YELLOW, (-) 200mA Dome light supervision output. [Unsure if I need this one?]
-H2/8:BROWN / Black,(-)200mA Horn honk output. [Unsure?]
-H2/9:Dark Blue, (-) 200mA status output. [GWR connected to dball (-) GWR Status Input, blue/white wire]
-H2/10:Pink, (-) 200mA Ignition 1 output. [Unsure?]
-H2/11:WHITE/ Black, (-) 200mA AUX 3 output. [Unsure?]
-H2/12:Violet, (+) door trigger input. [Do I need this with dball w2w?]
-H2/13:WHITE/ Violet, (-) 200mA Aux 1 output. [Unsure?]
-H2/14:Violet/Black, (-) 200mA Aux 2 output. [Unsure?]
-H2/15:ORANGE / Black, (-) 200mA Aux 4 output. [Unsure?]
-H2/16:Brown, (+) Brake Shutdown Input. [Connected to brake switch, (+) white wire]
-H2/17:Grey, (-) Hood pin input (n/c or n/o). [Connected to hood pin switch]
-H2/18:Violet / YELLOW, (-) 200mA Starter output. [Unsure?]
-H2/19:Blue, (-)Truck pin/instant trigger input (n/c or n/o). [N/A, unless use for tailgate or toolbox pin switch]
-H2/20:Grey/Black, (-) Diesel Wait to Start input. [Connected to 528T Wait to Start relay, brown wire]
-H2/21:WHITE/ Blue, (-) Remote start/turbo timer activation input. [N/A]
-H2/22:Orange, (-) 200mA Accessory output. [Connected ACC2 relay coil pin 85]
-H2/23:Violet/White, tachometer input. [Connected instrument panel white tachometer wire]
-H2/24:GREEN / WHITE, (-) 200mA OEM alarm arm ouput. [Unsure?]
Remote Start, 10-pin heavy gauge connector
-H3/1:Pink, (+) Ignition 1 input/output. [Connected to ignition harness pink wire & dball 10 pin (+) pink, Ignition input]
-H3/2:RED / White, (+) Fused (30A) ignition 2 / Flex relay input 87. [Connected to (+) 12 VDC battery bus]
-H3/3:Orange, (+) Accessory Output. [Connected to ignition harness orange wire]
-H3/4:Violet, (+) Starter output (car side of the starter kill). [Connected ignition harness yellow wire starter side & dball 10 pin (+) violet, Starter Input]
-H3/5:Green, (+) Starter input (key side of the starter kill). [Connected to ignition harness yellow wire switch side]
-H3/6:Red, (+) Fused (30A)ignition 1 input. [Connected to (+) 12 VDC battery bus]
-H3/7:Pink/White, (+) Ignition 2/ Flex Relay output. [Connected to white wire in ignition harness]
-H3/8:Pink/Black, (+) Flex relay input 87a key side [N/A, Unsure?]
-H3/9:RED / Black, (+) Fused (30A) Accessory/Starter input. [Connected to (+) 12 VDC battery bus]
-H3/10: No connection.
Door Lock , 3-pin connector
-1:Blue, (-) 500mA Unlock Output. [Connected to dball 10 pin (-) blue, Unlock Input]
-3:Green, (-) 500mA Lock Output. [Connected to dball 10 pin (-) green, Lock Input]
ACC2 Relay
-Relay pins 86 & 87: [Connected to (+) 12 VDC battery bus]
-Relay pin 30: [Connected to ignition harness ACC2, brown wire]
Neutral Safety Switch
Plugged into 5904 Neutral Safety Switch port.
DBALL (additional to connections shown above)
-14 pin: (+) 12V Red, pin 13.[Connected (+) 12VDC battery bus]
-14 pin: (-) Ground black, pin 14. [Connected chassis ground]
-14 pin: Violet / YELLOW, pin 2. [Connected to OBDII violet wire]
5904 Shock Sensor and 506T Audio Sensor
-Plugged 3 wire 506T harness into 506T
-Plugged 4 wire side of 506T harness into 5904 Sensor 1 port
-Plugged other 4 wire harness into Shock Sensor
508D Field Disturbance Sensor
-Cut / peeled red wire from harness [Connected to (+) 12VDC battery bus], then will connect harness to 5904 Sensor 2 port; Connected black harness wire to 5904 H1/6, orange, GWA wire].
(+) 12VDC Battery Bus - I fabricated a (+) 12 VDC bus, connected to battery via 3/0 welding type cable, protected (over) with 100A ANL fuse, for alarm, then radio/DVR/amps, soon.
bobby speer 
Member - Posts: 17
Member spacespace
Joined: October 28, 2003
Location: United States
Posted: June 25, 2013 at 12:09 PM / IP Logged  
Any further ideas or suggestions?
kreg357, buddholly - I did re-check wiring, in accordance with dball GM4-w2w diagram, noticed I had connected dball 10 pin pink to Ign pink and dball 10 pin violet to to ignition harness yellow wire, starter side. I disconnected those and re-did dball w2w, module programming. Got orange led, then red led, and 3 second green light after key starting. All alarm functions operate. I then attempted remote start, which produced engine cranking, appears to be starting but is then killed, with truck horn honking (pulsing). Corrected and included my wiring table. Is the dball problemmatic? I read numerous postings, praising the idatalink ADS, but there is not dealer locally. Amazon sells ADS and their weblink cable, but how to get flashed?

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