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2003 Ram 1550, Remote Start/Door Unlock


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skeer 
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Posted: December 26, 2016 at 4:56 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote skeer
Thinking logically, all the Viper unit would have to do is ground the circuits for locking and unlocking.
skeer 
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Posted: December 26, 2016 at 5:04 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote skeer
Let me ask, Am I safe using the relay wiring from Bulldogs pdfs?
http://diagrams.marktoonen.nl/DOWNLOADS/17044_RAM-FULL-SIZE-PICKUP-_CHRYSLER%20PARKING%20LIGHT%20DIAGRAM.pdf
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Posted: December 26, 2016 at 5:48 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
The clicking you hear coming from the Viper when you press Lock or Unlock is actually the Vipers internal Parking Light relay,
not internal lock relays.
For the Parking Lights, I would set the 4105 jumper to (+) Parking Light output and then follow the Bulldog diagram on the
left. While the Bulldog diagram does not follow standard relay coil polarity convention, it will work OK.
As mentioned earlier, the Viper only has (-) 200mA capacity on its lock and (-) Parking Light outputs. This is not the same
as a 14 guage wire to chassis ground.
The (-) 200mA outputs from the Viper are actually transistor controlled type circuits, hence their 200mA rated capacity
( silicone P-N junction ).
Soldering is fun!
skeer 
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Posted: December 26, 2016 at 8:05 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote skeer
You were right Kreg. Although you knew that already ;)
Yeah so I added relays to the parking lights and the lock and unlocks door wires. Worked like a friggin champ! The remote start even works... a little too good. I cant get it to shut off by the key. I have to pop the hood or hit the start button on the fob a second time.
I went looking back through the 'guide' Viper gives you (what a joke) There are no wires related to key sense so I'm not sure what to do.
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Posted: December 26, 2016 at 8:13 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote skeer
So yeah locking the truck, remote starting, unlock, insert key, turn to ON, mash brake, turn key off does not work. According to the wiring diagram I found the brake wire is WHITE/ brown and it is tapped.
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Posted: December 26, 2016 at 8:44 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote skeer
This is for anyone who comes behind me installing a Viper 4105V Remote Start/Keyless Entry in a 3rd gen Dodge Ram 1500.
pin number - color - description - ram wire
Pri Harness
1 Light green black - 200ma factory alarm disarm - NOT USED
2 GREEN / WHITE - 200ma factory alarm arm - NOT USED
3 yellow - ignition out - To Heavy 6 NOT USED
4 WHITE/ blue - activation output - NOT USED
5 orange - 500ma ground when locked - NOT USED
6 brown - 200ma horn output - BLACK/ red steering column
7 RED / white - trunk release - NOT USED
8 black - ground
**9 white - light flash - purple / YELLOW @ headlight switch with relay and 330 ohm resistor
Remote start harness
1 BLACK/ white - parking brake - ground
2 PURPLE / white - tach - injector or coil wire Any wire other than teh green wire on the coil
3 brown - brake shutdown - WHITE/ tan above brake pedal
4 gray - hood pin - ground when hood shut
5 blue/white - 200ma rear defogger - NOT USED
Heavy Gauge Relay Harness
1 red - 12vdc input - RED / white steering column
2 pink/white - Second ign/accessory out NOT USED
3 red - 12vdc input - RED / white steering column
4 orange - accessory input - orange steering column NOT USED
5 purple - starter output - yellow steering column
6 pink - ignition 1 input - steering column NOT USED
Door Lock*
1 blue - -200ma unlock out - blue driver kick panel
2 empty
3 green -200ma lock out - tan/pink driver kick panel
Satellite Harness not used
D2D (I dont even know what this is) likely unused
Bitwriter harness not used
* used 2 x relays, unlock needs 330ohm resistor, lock needs 820ohm. (I used 330 and 1k and it works) http://diagrams.marktoonen.nl/DOWNLOADS/26500_RAM-FULL-SIZE-PICKUP-_DODGE%20RAM%201%20WIRE%20JBS%20UNITS.pdf
** http://diagrams.marktoonen.nl/DOWNLOADS/17044_RAM-FULL-SIZE-PICKUP-_CHRYSLER%20PARKING%20LIGHT%20DIAGRAM.pdf
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Posted: December 26, 2016 at 10:59 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote skeer
skeer wrote:
So yeah locking the truck, remote starting, unlock, insert key, turn to ON, mash brake, turn key off does not work. According to the wiring diagram I found the brake wire is WHITE/ brown and it is tapped.
Found it!
The crimp splice on the WHITE/ tan brake pedal wire was not making good contact with the brown wire from the Viper. Truck shuts off correctly like it should.
Now on to 'programming' some features.
Thanks for your help Kreg. You were spot on bro!
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Posted: December 27, 2016 at 12:40 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
Sure glad to help. I came up with a slightly different wiring list...
Pri Harness
1 Light green black - 200ma factory alarm disarm - not used
2 GREEN / WHITE - 200ma factory alarm arm -    not used
3 yellow - ignition out -     Not used
4 WHITE/ blue - activation output -  not used
5 orange - 500ma ground when locked -        not used
6 brown - 200ma horn output - BLACK/ red steering column
7 RED / white - trunk release - OPT
8 black - ground  Chassis Ground
9 white - light flash - set to (+) to external Parking Light Relay Pin 86
Remote start harness
1 BLACK/ white - parking brake -       chassis ground
2 PURPLE / white - tach -ANY wire NOT DARK GREEN/ ORANGE (AC) @ COIL PACK or FUEL INJECTOR
3 brown - brake shutdown - WHITE/ TAN (+) @ SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL
4 gray - hood pin - ground when hood shut to kit supplied hood pin
5 blue/white - 200ma rear defogger - OPT
Heavy Gauge Relay Harness
1 red - 12vdc input -    PINK/BLACK (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
2 pink/white - Second ign/acc out set to IGN RED / WHITE (+) (16 Gauge wire) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
3 red - 12vdc input -    PINK/BLACK (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
4 orange - accessory input - Orange @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
5 purple - starter output - yellow steering column     
6 pink - ignition 1 input - BLUE (+) 16 Gauge wire @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Satellite harness, 4-pin connector
1 BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT not used ( Black key truck - no chip in key )
2 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT     to ACC2 relay, Pin 85
3 PURPLE (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT       not used
4 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION OUTPUT        not used
Door Lock
1 blue - -200ma unlock out -    to Unlock relay Pin 85
2 empty
3 green -200ma lock out -       to Lock Relay Pin 85
Parking Light Relay
Pin 86 to Viper White (+) Parking Light output
Pin 85 and 30 to Chassis Ground
Pin 87 to PURPLE / YELLOW (-) @ BACK of HEADLIGHT SWITCH through 330 or 1400 ohm resistor
Unlock Relay *
Relay Pin 85 to Viper Blue (-) 200 mA Lock output
Relay Pin 86 to +12V constant
Relay Pin 30 to Chassis ground
Relay Pin 87 to WHITE/ GREEN IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, in DOOR HARNESS, heading to REAR of vehicle through 330 ohm resistor
Lock Relay *
Relay Pin 85 to Viper Green (-) 200 mA Lock output
Relay Pin 86 to +12V constant
Relay Pin 30 to Chassis ground
Relay Pin 87 to WHITE/ GREEN IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL, in DOOR HARNESS, heading to REAR of vehicle through 820 ohm resistor
* In lieu of these two lock relays, you could use a Directed 451M DoorLock Module. It plugs right in to the Viper locks plug
and comes with a pack of assorted resistors that includes all the correct values needed. Just follow the 451M Install Guide
Type H wiring diagram using the indicated resistor values.
Accessory 2 Relay
Relay Pin 85 to Viper ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT
Relay Pin 86 and 30 to +12V constant through 20 Amp fuse
Relay Pin 30 to Green ACC2 @ Ignition Switch Harness
Please note that there are multiple Blue and RED / White wires in the ignition switch harness. You must use a DMM to verify
the correct wires.
Soldering is fun!
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