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wiretapper 
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Posted: January 07, 2004 at 10:24 PM / IP Logged  

First off, I'm NOT a Metro grad...that's why my customers are happy with the finished product.

Second...That's right. 17 years of installing EVERYTHING myself!  I own AND work the business all by my lonesome. I speak from experience when I say a Bosch has not failed me yet. P&B??? JUNK!  Hella?? Forgetaboutit! Siemans????? hahahahaha!  Yes, 17 years has taught ME, not some part-timer what works, what dosen't,  and what the definition of "liability" is. Ask a lawyer if he thinks a criminal who just stole your car can sue you if it fails while he's driving it. I'm sorry...I mean STEALING it!  See what the jury would say about that.

As far as keeping thr remote in the guy's pocket?? If that's what it takes to make him feel safe, then fine. I guess I'm too nice an area to a younger male get 'jacked. Hear about women and such all the time, but never a younger male. Maybe YOU should move by me and you might not worry about liablities so much.

Anyway keep this going if you will...I'm out. Gotta get back to WORK!

auex 
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Posted: January 07, 2004 at 10:25 PM / IP Logged  
I think that I am going to enjoy this as well!
1. Do you always carry a spare remote or are just planning to take the one on your keys? Do you really think that you will have enought time to take off when a carjacker pulls a gun in your face?
2. You cause the vehicle to stop then YOU are liable for whatever happens because of this. Why do you think that no one makes one of these? There is too much liability to do this.
3. Relays can and do fail, regardless of brand. I don't know why people still think that this doesn't happen. By the way don't say "never", it is just begging to be argued.
4. You don't know how the alarm will fail. It may blow something in the alarm and permanantly activate the acc output.
Being that he is in Puerto Rico, the laws may be different there. If you are scared of being carjacked then either deal with it or carry a big gun.
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auex 
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Posted: January 07, 2004 at 10:27 PM / IP Logged  
Just to add, this falls under the same type of law that shooting a burglar. You wouldn't think that he could sue you but they have won civil cases.
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wiretapper 
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Posted: January 07, 2004 at 10:37 PM / IP Logged  

I think we all missed the point here. You're NOT causing the vehicle to stop! Done properly, the vehicle will never proceed. That's the point! Yes, it would be a major problem if the thief lost control and killed someone while driving. The idea behind this is to not let them drive it away to cause any damage.

I didn't notice he was from PR which changes things anyway. If he decides this (carjacking) would be an issue, then yes he can opt to carry a second remote on him to accomplish this without the thief knowning what happened. Again of course, he would have to push the button IMMEDIATELY upon leaving the vehicle. The timing of this would have to be at his own discretion. I'm not saying it's a totally legal thing to do...I'm only stating it can deter a thief if done properly. 

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Posted: January 07, 2004 at 10:49 PM / IP Logged  
Word.. It would work. You can also deploy the air bags, seize the brakes, and send a flare into the air. WIRE like I stated Im not here to burst bubbles but come on. Starter kills are starter kills for a reason. They are not ign kills because sh!t happens.
Firestone tires explode and Bosch relays fail. Both can cause death. So can a penny from 30 stories up.
Most on here ask questions to help them.. if they dont know the immediate answer from experience and practicality then thats what we are here for. Lets just state the obvious and not install remote starts on nuclear weapons. LOL
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auex 
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Posted: January 07, 2004 at 10:51 PM / IP Logged  
My last thing to add. Technically, no you are not causing the vehicle to stop, you are disabling the power steering and power brakes by stalling the engine. You also should figure that it will take at least 5 seconds (at least 2 while being removed from the vehicle and 3 to activate the channel on the alarm) to activate this type of device, so he could get up to speed if the carjacker is fast enough. Not knowing what the criminals are like in PR, I also don't know what the criminal would do to you if the engine died once you where pulled out of the vehicle, for all we know they might just shoot him for it. Again going back to not knowing the criminals/crime in PR, if he is worried about being carjacked then maybe he should invest in body armor, lexan windows, kevlar, and a gun, or just don't drive. I honestly don't even believe that remote ignition kills are legal in the US.
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wiretapper 
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Posted: January 07, 2004 at 11:00 PM / IP Logged  

Hmmmm...remote starts on nukes....you thinkin' what I'm thinkin?? Now THERE'S a niche no one got a hold of yet!remote engine shut down - Page 2 - Last Post -- posted image. 

I think it's funny  that I'm arguing over something that I've not done on any vehicle. I don't think I've ever installed a system kill like that for anyone. I personally don't believe in installing a system like that, only starter kil, But  I guess I basically wanted to tell the guy yes, it can be done. As far as liability?? That's a whole 'nother story.  WAAAY too grey an area for me. As far as getting away with it? I'm thinking "OJ" right about now. Ya with me? 

OK, I'm out. Changing the name to protect the innocent! LOL!

RufNUSD 
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Posted: January 07, 2004 at 11:03 PM / IP Logged  
Once again.. touche. We know that we could cause the world to end by adding a relay to the core. We choose not to do this. Us installers are SMART people so lets not sign the ID10T clause. XOXO
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