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OmarR 
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Posted: February 14, 2005 at 1:31 AM / IP Logged  
Good info, Kevin.
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Kevenfwb,

If I may add my two cents as well. I would take auex's side on this one about the sunroof. Professional installer or not, the sunroof should be left alone, you will see why in a couple of months. By you stating they he doesent do them because he cant figure them out was way off beat. The reason he doesent do them is because he is SMART! When you own a proffesional shop you will see why sunroofs are generally not done. Doing this to your own or a friends car is up to you, but when you have a reputation to keep up on and constant "CUSTOMERS" you dont want the hassele with returns. Yiou can hook the sunroof up right and still it will get messed up. Give it time, I would say within six months and you will see his point of view!!!!!!!

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jaurora wrote:

Kevenfwb,

If I may add my two cents as well. I would take auex's side on this one about the sunroof. Professional installer or not, the sunroof should be left alone, you will see why in a couple of months. By you stating they he doesent do them because he cant figure them out was way off beat. The reason he doesent do them is because he is SMART! When you own a proffesional shop you will see why sunroofs are generally not done. Doing this to your own or a friends car is up to you, but when you have a reputation to keep up on and constant "CUSTOMERS" you dont want the hassele with returns. Yiou can hook the sunroof up right and still it will get messed up. Give it time, I would say within six months and you will see his point of view!!!!!!!

And what exactly do you think is going to happen to my sunroof in six months?  If someone does an install on something and does it right, why would it all of the sudden "get messed up"?  I think that is a very bad assumption.  Kevinfwb has installed every remote start, alarm, window/sunroof modules, etc. in every single car I've owned in the past 8 years.  That's 4 cars...Never once have I EVER had a problem with anything he's installed.  Not only has he done my cars, he's done at least 3 or 4 of his own that I know of plus numerous other friends and family member's cars, so when it comes to "reputation", I think kevinfwb can hold his own.

Haha, and if auex were so "smart", don't you think he could do these types of installs without any problems and do them well enough so that his customers didn't have to return it or come back for repairs?

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This is the problem. This is a post supposed to help people. If someone says they dont reccomend something its for a reason. There are plenty of pros in this industry that will tell you sunroof is a bad idea. And yes that is there personal opinion. In my situation if this post were to concern me and I noticed that a couple of "pro installers" told be it wasent a good idea I would concider not doing so. Of course it is your option. But instaed we get these people "YOU and your FRIEND" that insist on putting down other people for there ideas and input concerning you issue. Its people like you we dont need on this website! Do me a favor, take a picture of you "BACKYARD INSTALLERS" work and post it if he is so great I sure some of us would love to see he work. AND HAHA to you. watch how fast your sunroof motor blows!!!! They are big money$$$$ Its amazing on how you find your friend who has completed about 10 installs to be the best in the field. My whole meanig of this post is that you are going to have people with different ideas on differnt subjects. Thats what the post is here for and its not to put people down.
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Posted: February 14, 2005 at 11:06 AM / IP Logged  

jaurora

I agree with you to an extent.  This forum is indeed intended to help people find solutions to their problems.  I have used this website several times over the past years, and I have found some valuable information.  As I stated in my first post, I am not trying to turn this into a flame thread.  But if I recall correctly Auex is the one who originally posted, "If you can't figure it out with the wires in front of you....." I don't particularly consider that advice.  An appropriate response would have been, "I don't recommend installing an automatic sunroof because......."!

This isn't meant to criticize you either, so please don't take it that way.  Why would installing a 529 blow a window motor? I've had a 530 on my windows for over 2 years and never had a single problem.  I also had a 530 and two 529's on my previous car and the sunroof on that car worked fine for several years as well, not ever a single hiccup.  Isn't the whole design of a 529 for a sunroof (or two windows in 1 direction). With the exception of the tilt relay, the sunroof motor works like any other motor.  Reversing polarity causes the motor to operate in opposite directions causing the sunroof to open/close.  There are ABSOLUTELY no exposed wires. Every single wire in the car was soldered. We removed the front fender in order to get access to the wiring harness in the door jamb so we could run the wires for the 530 through the existing rubber tubing, no exposed wires at all. 

I guess you could consider me a "backyard installler".  However, most systems I've installed have been in the front yard, so I guess I'm more of a "Frontyard Installer". I've never worked at a shop installing systems but I have absolutely no doubt that I could, and I have even thought about it before.  I am in college at the moment (Computer Science) and go to school during the day.  My work hours are severely limited due to school and I wouldn't be able to work during the day very much.   Do I claim to know everything? Absolutely not.  As almost any installesr will tell you though, 99% of the problems that people have with car electronics come from poor installation.  People trying to do their own installations with barely a clue of what their doing. 

Again, I don't intend on this being a flame thread and apologize if that is how it came out.  Rizzy posted a thread here a few days ago to see if anyone has had experience installing a 529 on a tilting sunroof and didn't exactly get a positive response.  Instead he was told if he can't figure it out, then don't bother.  Just my $0.02 -Kevin

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Posted: February 14, 2005 at 11:15 AM / IP Logged  

On a side note about this forum. You are correct!! It is supposed to be a forum for helping people.  This is exactly why I posted HOW I was able to get the 529 to work on a tilting sunroof properly.  I think you will also agree with me that every Joe Schmoe who owns a shop doesn't necessarily do quality work.  I've seens shops who splice wires together without even using solder or wire crimps, just a little electrical tape. Not every shop hires MECP techs and in all honesty it isn't necessary for most installs.  The majority of shop installs are simple head unit replacements, or a basic 300ESP or similar.  I've been installing systems for over 10 years and I have learned through those years how to do proper, trouble free installations.  I didn't just post "HAHA I did it and you said I couldn't" keep in mind, I did actually post how I was able to get it done which may help somoene else who was having a similiar problem.

-Kevin

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Pretty much after you see a handful of sunroofs go back to the dealers ship to be replaced because the control modules blew up, you would know why you should leave sunroofs alone. The control module freaks out and will not reset, it thinks the sunroof is closed when in actuality it is open and damages the roof on GM's. Even if you hook the module up correctly it still will cause damage in many vehicles. Me also being a professional would rather refuse doing this because A) you damage stuff it gives you a bad rep B) it is expensive to repair and comes out of my check, C) I personally think it is stupid. Being that it was a honda that you where working on, there really is no problems with that as it does not have a control module so to say.
Where did I say that I can't figure out how to do them???
By the way, what I said originally was that if YOU can't figure it out YOU shouldn't be doing it. Nothing that I said was deragatory or flame, but my opinion.
Oh and by the way, Rizzi shut up ricer. SI! SI! SI! You just had to through the SI into your post.
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auex wrote:
Oh and by the way, Rizzi shut up ricer. SI! SI! SI! You just had to through the SI into your post.

HAHA...For your information I put the SI in my name because Rizzy was already taken.  And how stereotypical of you and childish to call me a ricer.  You automatically think that because I drive a Honda Civic and it just happens to be an SI model that I'm a ricer.  The ONLY thing I have done to my car is replace the factory head unit and put this alarm in.  That's a ricer?  Damn....And please, don't tell me to shut up in my own post.  Again, if you have nothing of worth to add to a conversation, do the rest of us a favor and don't say anything at all.

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Kevin,

This issue isent against you. I am happy that you do the installing on your own, doing it yourself is the best way to learn. The more you will do the better you will become. This wasent an issue with the install ect.  As with AUEX he hit the nail on the head with the problems that are caused. This is not only for GM vehicles, yes they are more vunarable, but the other makes and models can have the same issue. To be completly honest with you, Its your friend with the big mouth that doesent know when to quit and I myself would like to tell him to SHUTUP. Let him and AUEX battle it out. But hey keep up the installing and goodluck.

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I am not battling anything out. Just stating my opinion.
Issue resolved /thread.
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