pioneer or alpine?

you could beat the hell outta both of them with an eclipse.

Eclipse makes a great headunit, but it is not better than either of the two manufactuers in question. Plus the Eclipse defect rate is higher than Pioneer or Alpine. Pioneer is the #1 selling hedunit line in the U.S., so they have to be doing something right. As for Alpine being "10x better than Pioneer" all I have to say is check your data. If you are going to buy a Pioneer I would recommend the DEH-P80Mp, but you wouldn't be disappointed with the 7700MP either. And really the way I look at it is like this, you can't really go wrong with Pioneer or Alpine. It just boils down to what you like better.

12V_REP wrote: Eclipse makes a great headunit, but it is not better than either of the two manufactuers in question. Plus the Eclipse defect rate is higher than Pioneer or Alpine. Pioneer is the #1 selling hedunit line in the U.S., so they have to be doing something right. As for Alpine being "10x better than Pioneer" all I have to say is check your data. If you are going to buy a Pioneer I would recommend the DEH-P80Mp, but you wouldn't be disappointed with the 7700MP either. And really the way I look at it is like this, you can't really go wrong with Pioneer or Alpine. It just boils down to what you like better.

Couldn't have said it better myself. In the end it comes down to personal preference and also what your use to installing.

Jeff

Velocity Custom Home Theater

Mobile Audio/Video Specialist

Morden, Manitoba CANADA

My $500MSRP Alpine headunit is about 14 months old and freakin "///Alpine" sticker is peeling off. I couldn't even begin to express my utter distaste for this head-unit. It is the most unintuitively designed unit I've ever used. You can't even change the treble or bass up and down a notch. You have to create a new eq file, save it, then load it into memory. You can adjust the subwoofer volume but not turn it off.. that feature is BURIED under menus harder to unearth than the freakin EQ... It replaced a Pioneer DEH7400MP that had FAR inferior manufacturers specifications but was easily the better deck. The *only* thing I could give Alpine is that it finds MP3's a little faster. Yes, *EVERY* chance I get I complain about Alpine headunits. At least try using one before you spend real money on basura gear like that."I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview

I've got the Pioneer deh-p7600mp and I love it. It has a ton of tunability options, and it has performed reliably with very high quality sound. It's not the highest end unit out there, but it does the job nicely, and the graphics are cool to boot. 2004 BMW 325ci.

Alpine CDA-9885

JL 300/4 and 250/1

JL XR 5.25 comps

Infinity Kappa Perfect 12

I love my DEH-P7400MP. Haven't had a problem yet. And I've beat that HU to hell and back. Paul