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haemphyst 
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Posted: May 25, 2006 at 9:10 PM / IP Logged  
OK... I can take it... While Earthquake DOES build some very fine woofers, (and I never said they DON'T) I specifically mentioned the SWS woofers. They are not even CLOSE to as good as the other products in the line. Someone mentioned Pioneer's license, also... anybody can license from anybody, if the cash exchange is high enough, it doesn't mean they are GOOD drivers... Will it sell? Can we market this, and make more than we have into it? Does it look good? Will it sell? (Yes, I repeated it, because that's the question on EVERY manufacturers mind)
I mentioned also, SPECIFICALLY the rocking modes. This is aimed DIRECTLY at the AUDIBLY non-linear bass these drivers (as I said in my previous post) will (and do) produce. Without even pressing with any pressure, I was able to make the coice coil rub in them. This is NOT good, ever.
This particular woofer is aimed at a niche market, a niche market that can probably be better served with a different woofer... This example (the SWS) is a band-aid, and one with too small an absorbent pad, IMO. While I admit I was a bit harsh, I still stand by my bashing of these woofers. They are a bad design, and they do NOT sound good. They are "long throw", short voice-coil, underhung woofers, with poor spider design. I am not a speaker designer, I cannot say what would be better, but ANY woofer should be better at linearity than these have proven (to me) to be. If this happens to be the best that Earthquake can do, good on 'em, but they are NOT good enough for me.
I am sorry I went off like I did. It was out of character for me, certainly. I still believe there are probably better shallow mount woofers available out there. I have never heard all of them, but I have heard the SWS, and I will reiterate - I was unimpressed. They are NOT accurate drivers.
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
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Posted: May 25, 2006 at 10:09 PM / IP Logged  

Rockford makes the Punch P3 shallow,check em out

sS

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Posted: May 26, 2006 at 3:55 AM / IP Logged  

The poor lad was looking for a band-aid. And the way you thrust your opinion on ALL of us.....it just plain stunk!

Re think your approach young man...........you believe what you NEED to believe, and reiterate all you want too.....it's still just your

opinion..... I stand by my approach, and my post! Good luck to you. I Love it..........

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Posted: May 26, 2006 at 7:18 AM / IP Logged  

I've come to the conclusion that there are two types of people that upgrade their car audio...those that like 'loud' and those that like 'acoustics'.  I'm pretty sure everyone has ran into the guy that, after hours of tweaking to get the best sound out of his system, he pulls over 1 block away from your shop and cranks up all the gains all the way up.  This is the guy you want to sell some of these speakers to, they might not be linear but this guy is happy with all the 'noise' he can get. 

If someone inquires about a shallow sub, I am hoping its because of lack of space and not because they think its 'cool' (that opens up another category of audiophiles).  I would never recommend any shallow sub to anybody who rolls in with a trunk.  To this day I have installed 5 shallow subs (all different brands), 3 single cab minitrucks, a towtruck and a refridgerated cube truck. 

Me being a fan of acoustics, I think I wouldn't mind if my bass was unlinear while I tow sum cars.  All in all, my point is, there is an application for everything, don't try to substitute the subs in your trunk with some of these...dare to compare.  But when it comes to lack of space...these guys can work wonders, beats the hell out of having 2 6x9's.

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