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pyroguy 
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Posted: April 11, 2007 at 12:16 AM / IP Logged  

Auex,

Now THAT makes sense. I will look into the specific cases tomorrow as I am not having much luck finding specific statutes either. I am sure specific case rulings will refference specific statutes pertaining to assualt caused by personal property and will just work backwards - tomorrow. (I am of the same mind on the legal jargon...it's too late in the night for it).

Thanks again guys and goodnight!

- Jesse

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auex wrote:
It's classification is assault and punishment is upto 10 years if injury occurs. I can find cases but can't find the actual statute. There is also case law in your state concerning it.
It was put that your property rights don't supercede human rights. I am tiRED / bored searching through legal jargon.
Even the autotaser that was out years ago is illegal in places.

Auex,

I thought about what you said through the night and I have one question: Why are tasers and stun guns legal while the system I have been thinking about constructing is illegal? I wouldn't be surprised that any injury caused by the use of a stun gun would also be classified as assault, but then how many people do you know have been injured by stun guns (not including the owners of course). This same argument could be used for the trim stunner as it would be designed to NOT deliver a lethal or fatal dose of electricty, but merely enough to deter.

Here is one more question - What was the functional difference between the Autotaser and standard stun guns? Did it actually electrify certain parts of a car's exterior? I can certainly see the risk of injuring others who are not commiting a felony. However, for someone who gets zapped by an interior electrified device they would have already commited a felony by breaking into someone's car.

I am sure that the same state and federal statutes that apply to stun guns would also apply in this case, so I will use this as another basis for my search. (You were right in sifting through all the legal information - its a bitch. It also seems as though the government has skimped on the verstility of their search engines as they are not very effective).

- Jesse

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Posted: April 11, 2007 at 8:48 AM / IP Logged  
pyroguy wrote:

Chris,

Valid points. However, I think there is some confusion of my intent.....

...Obviously anyone else who justifiably needs to get to the column will be notified by the owner of the car and the system will consequently be DEactivated.

Just a correction to a previous post I made (it was late at night). Sorry about that.

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Stun guns and tasers themselves are not illegal. If you use them for self defense then they are perfectly legal. If you set them up to go off when someone tries to open a door/window then they are illegal. If you use them in any manner other then self defense then you will go to jail. You can't intentionaly set a trap.
It depends on how you use them will justify the legality.
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It sucks, the system basically protects the bad guy.. in all reality if he's breaking into YOUR car, why shouldn't u be able to harm him? its really not fair, but what can ya do?
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It is a fact that the U.S. has more laws than any other country in the world - and true that not all of them are considered good. The lives we live follow guidelines that are both black and white with a huge gray area in between. This is the paradigm of our legal system in that law makers do their very best to make this gray area as small as possible - "This is legal while this is illegal" - in order to minimize the occurences of extenuating circumstances.

I agree that there are certain parts of our justice system that are NOT just; that do not follow the ideals of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" - but the government sets the rules while we are forced to dance by them. That's the name of the game - it is just up to creativity and inventiveness of the indivual on how to use these laws for their benefit.

(In my case one of my "pursuits of happiness" is the joy of modifying and driving my car without fear of someone taking it without my authorization; yet we have laws that protect the guilty from the actions of innocent victims. What side should justice favor?)

This whole discussion can easily drift off to the philisophical side of my little engineering project, but I would prefer that we stay on task in discussing the legal ramifications of this system.

If someone is willling to let us all know the specific Federal or State (Missouri, or any other state at that because I am sure they are all similar is some respect) statutes that would govern the application of the system I have been describing then the discussion will end and the idea will be scrapped. Anyone else in the future who performs a search on "electrified alarm systems" will come across this string and the topic will never come up again.

I am still sifting through the legal databases of the Missouri Statutes...

Thanks again everyone! This is turning into a killer discussion thread!

Jesse

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pyroguy wrote:

If someone is willling to let us all know the specific Federal or State (Missouri, or any other state at that because I am sure they are all similar is some respect) statutes that would govern the application of the system I have been describing then the discussion will end and the idea will be scrapped. Anyone else in the future who performs a search on "electrified alarm systems" will come across this string and the topic will never come up again.

That won't happen because it has been brought up before and i have found the statute for the specific state in question.
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Auex,

Here, interpret this one for me:

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Use of physical force in defense of property.

563.041. 1. A person may, subject to the limitations of subsection 2, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what he reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission by such person of stealing, property damage or tampering in any degree.

2. A person may use deadly force under circumstances described in subsection 1 only when such use of deadly force is authorized under other sections of this chapter.

3. The justification afforded by this section extends to the use of physical restraint as protective force provided that the actor takes all reasonable measures to terminate the restraint as soon as it is reasonable to do so.

4. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.

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How do you think this one might play out in a court session if I were to explain to the jury that I thought the use of an interior electrifed device was justifiable in thwarting an attempted theft?

(BTW: This is straight out of the Missouri Revised Statues via www.moga.mo.gov, or more specifically http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C500-599/5630000041.HTM)

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(BTW: According to section 563.036 of the RSMO it is legally defensible in court to shoot and kill anyone who unlawfully enters another's house or premises).
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