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frans-c 
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Posted: July 31, 2007 at 1:41 PM / IP Logged  
phonymike, thanks a lot! I actually thought of using a setup similar to the one you drew there, but like you said, I thought it would be a waste of the on-board relays.
And yes, I also realised that the diodes would nullify the grounding capabilities of the other relays.
All that's left to do know is to execute the master plan... multiple relays share same common output - Page 2 - Last Post -- posted image.
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frans-c 
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Posted: August 01, 2007 at 6:54 AM / IP Logged  
I took another look at my diagram, as well as the one of phonymike's and came to the conclusion that neither my original diagram, nor the one that he proposes, is going to work.
The reason is that the switch supplies a negative trigger, whereas the 712T's on-board relays supply a positive 12V. I'm not too familiar yet with relays, but I'm almost certain a relay can't be triggered by a positive and negative trigger at the same time, can it?
I concluded that the positive 12V of the 712T's output first has to be converted to a negative trigger. Only then will I be able to use both the switch and relay's output to trigger the relays.
This is the diagram that I came up with:
multiple relays share same common output - Page 2 - Last Post -- posted image.
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phonymike 
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Posted: August 01, 2007 at 8:29 AM / IP Logged  
again this is an assumption since you cannot provide me with more information on the module, but I assume the 'driver's unlock' is actually +unlock, -lock, while the 'all doors lock' is actually -unlock, +lock. what you should do is hook the module up. then read the two outputs with a multi meter. they should both show ground. then trigger it to unlock, one of them should show 12+. then trigger it to lock, the other should show 12+. if this is the case then my diagram will work.
frans-c 
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Posted: August 01, 2007 at 9:46 AM / IP Logged  
phonymike, here's the wiring harness from the 712T installation manual:
multiple relays share same common output - Page 2 - Last Post -- posted image.
I'm almost certain that the common output terminals deliver positive 12V voltage.
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phonymike 
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Posted: August 01, 2007 at 11:14 AM / IP Logged  
boom that's what I'm talkin bout! now all you need is one relay for the second unlock and you're done, you just treat internal relays like you would normal ones.
frans-c 
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Posted: August 01, 2007 at 1:37 PM / IP Logged  
phonymike, what about my door lock switch then? Surely I'll have to incorporate at least three additional relays, considering that I'd like priority door unlocking.
That last post of yours was a bit vague...what did you mean by it exactly?
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phonymike 
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Posted: August 02, 2007 at 3:32 AM / IP Logged  

yeah you're right, you still need 3 relays, and we'll just use the module to supply a ground output from the keyless, and tie it into your switch.

  • blue/black -> first relay 86 + switch (driver unlock)
  • violet -> ground (source for unlock, throws a ground like your switch)
  • blue -> second relay 86 + diode to driver's unlock wire/switch (pass unlock)
  • GREEN/ black -> third relay 86 + switch (locks doors)
  • violet/black -> ground (provides a ground to lock the doors)

use that and my diagram and you'll be set!

frans-c 
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Posted: August 02, 2007 at 5:34 AM / IP Logged  
That makes sense, yes!
Am I correct when I say that in the normally closed state, the modules on-board door lock relays should then rest at open, i.e. both terminals #87a (H1/6 and H1/17) will then not be used at all? (I only see know that Directed made a printing error with the description of wire H1/6 multiple relays share same common output - Page 2 - Last Post -- posted image. .)
When the coils of the on-board relays are energised, it will switch to normally open, thereby supplying the ground pulse to the other relays, right?
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