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I am having a problem with my amplifier setup and would appreciate any suggestions.  I had an old Sony Xplod (XM-752EQX) amp powering a single sub behind the seat of my Tacoma.  One day it just stopped, for no apparent reason.  It would play but only when I had the head unit on a very low volume.  As soon as I turned it up the amp shut off and the overcurrent light would come on and it would not start again until I shut the vehicle off and restarted.

That amp was about 5-6 years old and given the Xplod's bad reputation I figured it finally crapped out on me.  I replaced it with an Alpine MRP-M350 to power the single sub in my truck.  I hooked everything up and when I go to check it out it does the same exact thing!  The amp works at low volumes but when I turn it up the amp shuts off.

Now I'm starting to wonder if its not the amp but something else since I had the same exact problem with a brand new amp.  I decide on a new battery because the one I had was old and due for replacement anyway.  I pick up a new battery, hook everything back up and the amp worked perfectly....for about a day.

After a day of working fine on the new battery, the next day I have the same old problem.   Turn up the volume - amp shuts off.  Only now its worse than before, it shuts off at ridiculously low volumes.  I'm running out of ideas.  I tried a new ground but still the same problem.  I have a voltmeter but I'm not exactly sure what to check to diagnose the problem.  Any help would be appreciated.

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How is the gain set on the amp? Have you checked the ouyput of the alternator?
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Gain is set to nominal.  I tried setting it lower and I had the same problem. 

Alternator is stock, 1998 Toyota Tacoma 4cyl 2.7L - my guess is somewhere around 70-80A.  Do you think the alternator could be a problem with such a modest setup?  I though upgrades were more for vehicles with multiple high power amps.

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Very possible the sub is bad, coil has melted at a certain point and when it moves more it makes contact with another part of the coil that is bare sending the amp into protection.
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Sounds more like the speaker leads are shorting out.  When you turn up the volume, the amp is trying to push too much juice & auto-protects.  Check the impedance at the speaker terminals on the amp.  Could be the sub's voice coil is partially cooked & somehow shorting.  Or just try a different speaker & wiring, see if it's the same problem.
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Damn - he beat me to it...
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The sub is a 10" MTX in one of those vehicle-specific Thunderforms.  Its about 4 years old and was never really pushed hard by the old XPlod and the Alpine only worked on it one day (with the new battery) and the sub seemed fine.  I tried taking the sub out of the enclosure before but after I took the screws out it was being held in by glue(?) somehow and I didn't try forcing it out.

I do have an old box I built for my old truck with a pair of Rockford Fosgates.  This weekend, I'll try hooking the amp up to that to see if maybe the Thunderform is the problem.

Thanks for the suggestions!  Any more ideas?

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yeah - check the wires between amp & sub for any exposure or shorts.
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Thanks for the help guys.

The sub was the problem.  I took out the Thunderform and put in the old box I had, hooked up the amp and it worked great.  Then I took the 10" MTX sub out of the thunderform and tried hooking it up alone with a new piece of wire to see if the sub or the old wiring was the problem.   I tried that combo out and the amp shut off.

Now I need a new 10" sub for the thunderform.  I wish I could use my old box but it doesn't fit behind the seat of the standard cab Tacoma.  Any recommendations for a decent 10" sub?  Otherwise I'll just replace it with another MTX.

This forum is a great resource!

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boulderguy wrote:
Damn - he beat me to it...
Haha.
I would recommend that you stick with the same model sub as was originally installed in the thunderform. A different sub may not sound the way it is supposed to in that enclosure.
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