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28this 
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I have the following equipment. How can I wire the speakers in so that it will work properly and not harm my system.

Hu-Pioneer DEH-P470MP

Amp-Alpine MRP-F240 V-power 4/3/2 ch, 75wx4 or 180x2, 360w max

Speakers-4 Pioneer TS-A1671R 6.5" 3way, 220w max, 35w nom, 4ohm

Sub-Pioneer TS-W300R 12" Max 600w, 150w nom, 4ohm

More info I found on amp:

75wx4(max) rms 14.4v power, 100wx2[4 bridged (0.3%thd)], 50wx4rms [2(.3%)], 40wx4rms [4(.08&thd)]

I'm pretty good at wiring, but I haven't messed much with amps and subs. I want to know I'm doing it right, so I don't burn something up. Any help would be appreciated.

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You can get a system started with what you have but you will want to upgrade to a second amp and an upgraded sub someday.  The amp ratings misled me a little but I see that it produces 40 watts X 4, okay with those speakers.

To use what you got now...with this amp, use it as a 3-way so that the front pair of speakers use channels 1 and 2 independently, and the subwoofer is bridged to channels 3 and 4.  The sub would get 100 watts according to the specs.  The second set of speakers, used in the rear, can be connected to the speaker output wiring of the head unit and be powered from that.

If you get engine noise through the speakers when it is all installed, don't curse your work...curse that Pioneer head unit.

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28this 
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Posted: January 20, 2006 at 10:07 PM / IP Logged  
What is wrong with pioneer equip? Mainly the Head unit? All this equipment is what my ins sent to me for replacement after someone stole my original out of the vehicle. Thanks for the rest of the info though. Is that the only way to wire it together also? I have seen where a guy had 32 speakers wires into one 2 channel amp, that is why I ask? I don't know if you can do it with an odd number of speakers or not.
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Posted: January 20, 2006 at 10:47 PM / IP Logged  

Do a search for Pioneer in this forum and you'll see a lot of problems with ground noise.  Hope your HU doesn't give you problems. 

It's the impedance load, not the number of speakers.  You want to run the amp at a 4 ohm load (look carefully at the specs you posted...see the .3% next to the number 2?  That's the harmonic distortion at a 2 ohm impedance.  Compare that to the percentage at 4 ohms....08%.  The sound quality would be almost 4 times better at 4 ohms than at 2 ohms, as far as the amp is concerned.  You always want to run speakers that play mid and high frequencies at 4 ohms or above because that harmonic distortion becomes terribly apparent at those frequencies.

A whole lot of speakers can be wired in series and parallel schemes so that the impedance arrives at the load desired for the amplifier.  You have to determine 1) why you have two sets of speakers, and 2) how you want to use them.  It is expected that you'll use a pair in the front and a pair in the rear....if that's not your goal let the forum know and we'll steer you onto the right track.  The power handling capacity of the speaker vs. the power output of the amplifier must always be considered, too.

Then, you need to look at the impedance of those speakers and find out...if you wanted to connect them together so you can put everything on the lone amplifier...how the impedance will change with the connections.  Look over to the left column and go through the woofer wiring wizard.  You have to know that a parallel connection would reduce the load to 2 ohms, and that a series connection would change the load to 8 ohms.  With that in mind, decide why you would want to do that and at what cost to your ultimate goal of a working sound system.  The 8 ohm load wouldn't harm the sound at all but you would lose the ability to fade front-to-rear.  So your system would not get to the point of adequate.

What I told you is the best way to use what you have.  I would prefer all speakers powered by the amp so that you have better sound and better control over it.  That's why another amp should be used for subwoofer use.  But like I said, you can get a starter system set up like that.  That's how I started...almost.  I have made the mistakes, though, that I'm advising you not to make.

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Thats funny, I have run a ton of pioneer head units and also installed quite a few in my customers vehicles and have never had a problem with engine noise due to the head unit.
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i have to agree with ravendarat i've been in the biz for going on 7 yrs and i will only own pioneer or alpine head units ( not an advertisement )also when setting up the new unit make sure u tune the door speakers and subwoofer seperately and the pioneer was a good choice b/c there should be alot of adjustments from the deck b/c i dont think that model of amplifier has a built in crossover just a high and low pass switch with no variable frequency. also definitely get a separate amp soon b/c a 4 channel amps get real hot and tend to to shorten the life span of the amplifier when running mids and subs at the same time  u may want to consider running 4 sets of speaker wires for each speaker and an extra set of rca cables so u can have a fader and sub control if u get another amplifier that will save alot of time down the road
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28this 
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Posted: January 21, 2006 at 3:25 AM / IP Logged  

nstaller36695 wrote:
u may want to consider running 4 sets of speaker wires for each speaker and an extra set of rca cables so u can have a fader and sub control if u get another amplifier that will save alot of time down the road

What do you mean run 4 sets of speaker wires per speaker? Plus, with the exception of the sub, a car audio place has already installed. My vehicle was stolen and as I mentioned earlier, this equip is what they replaced it with. There is two sets of rca's from the hu to the amp. Obveously one front and the other rear. The back of the hu has 2 rca hook ups, one says front spkrs, other subs, which r hooked up 2 rears. The amp does have ch 1/2 gain and 80hz filter switch 3 position off/hp/lp. It also has ch 3/4 gain and bass eq 0 to +12db and filter switch 3 way off/hp/lp. It also has a set of pre out rca terminals ch 1+3 and ch 2+4. I don't know what these rca terminals are for. I also have a question @ spkr outputs. I know I can hook up 4 speakers on one ch using a paralell/series combo and still get 4ohms. Can I bridge 2 channels the same way and still get 4 ohms?

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ok first things first if u only have 2 rca outputs u can go ahead and run 3 rca cables so in the future if u have a radio with front rear and sub out u will already be wired for it. 2nd i didnt say 4 pairs of speaker wires per speaker just 4 total so if u upgrade to another separate amplifier for bass and get a higher end hu u will already have all the necessary wires in the car but for now u can use 2 speaker wires for all 4 speakers and 2 rca cables. always run wires with upgrades in mind. and seriously i wouldnt try to run 4 speakers on one channel for any reason except custom jobs with 4 speakers fiberglassed into the door panel or something it will make all 4 speakers in that vehicle mono. bridging is mainly for subwoofer applications that u want max power and sound quality is generally at a minimum
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