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I'm trying to design a vented enclosure, and have a couple of questions...
I need a vent length of 11.5" to achieve my desired tuning frequency (according to WinISD). Now, do I actually need to make it 12.25" long to compensate for the .75" thick baffle?
Also, I was wondering what a good vent width is?
Lastly, I want to try building an "spl box" sometime. A vented box just for playing rap music really loud, and that's about all. My question is, what frequency would you say is the "average bass note" for those songs? Where do I want the frequency response to peak?
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are you using a program to get your info. or are you using the manual to get the specs from. if you are using a manual there should be a spec for how wide the vent should be. if it is a round port spec you have to convert it into a rectangular measurement. I'm preity shore there is a calculator on here that dose that.
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I'm using WinISD to model the box up.
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Posted: February 02, 2006 at 10:35 PM / IP Logged  

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Now, do I actually need to make it 12.25" long to compensate for the .75" thick baffle?

No, the hole through the baffle would be part of the port.  There can be a lot of variations in the box design that the program wouldn't be able to know..such as thickness of the face baffle or possibly part of the port tube extending out of the box.  Just make the physical port the length as indicated and allow space at both ends to complete the acoustical port length (see Help section).

A good vent diameter will allow you to input the maximum power the amplifier will provide to the drivers in that enclosure and be able to maintain a quiet port.  Too small for the power, air will make a huffing sound in the port.  Larger than necessary, the result may be an unreasonably long port length.  Select the input tab and type in the power in watts to be applied.   Use the SPL chart (rear-something, I can't think of it right now) to see the result of the port noise.  See the Help section for details on this, too.  If you can keep it under 110 feet/second at max amplitude it will be good for car audio.  Home audio would want half that, but you are always dealing with compromises within the confines of an automobile.  Larger port openings necessitate longer port lengths, and sometimes you just don't have the room for it.  So reach the best compromise that you can in this area.

SPL for rap...where you decide the tuning freq to be will not only involve the type of music but the combination of driver / enclosure.  Use the program to model a Cheby (sp, you'll see what I mean) enclosure.  You'll note the response will peak, not a flat-as-possible response.  Peaking in the 40 to 45 Hz range would be ideal for your posted intention, but work with what you have in any case to see how it looks. 

Take your time with this program and refer to the Help section as often as necessary.  You'll find answers to all your questions about it that you posted, and more.  Good luck.

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First, where should I look to read up on the acoustical port lengths?
Second, I read through the help section and it says it should stay below 17 m/s. However, I've read in multiple places the magic number is actually closer to about 34 m/s or 112 ft/s. Which one should I go by?
I also did some searching around the site, and only found one post relating to the whole rap notes thing. It was a refrence to some popular rap song stating that it's bass lines usually hit in the 42hz area (infact, I think that was a post from you too.) So I went off and designed a box that peaked right at about 43 hz.
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Posted: February 03, 2006 at 6:24 PM / IP Logged  

Yeah, I referenced a couple of songs that I checked out with a freq program.  Just to show that some of the lowest bass notes we hear in popular songs are still above the 40 Hz line.  For SQ, I would tune as low as possible, but I'm not relying on SPL from the port with those, either.  But for SPL, I want to tune just below the majority of bass hits, and with most popular music that Fb would be in the mid 40s.

Here's a pic taken directly from the WinISD Pro help file.  This is from the newest alpha version that's been out for a couple of years:

Designing vented enclosure -- posted image.

The amount of space at the ends of the actual, or physical, port is basically an unknown factor.  You just need to use some rules of thumb:  on the inside, leave at least the diameter of the port.  On the outside, leave at least that amount of room as well.  Those airspaces act as functioning parts of the overall port length but are not figured in port length measurements.  The program looks at the end of your port by what you input into the "End correction" box under the "vents" tab.  The 0.732 that you see in the window is the default and works with most port installations, and should work with yours.

For SPL, decide whether you want to use meters or feet with the program.  Use the options from the drop down menu and click to choose.  Also click to choose whether you want to see "peak" or "rms" port velocity.  I personally like to use feet, and also would rather see the rms velocity rather than the peak.  It seems to me that rms, which is going to be a much more manageable port size, is more in line with other software programs (see link below). 

110 ft/sec is 1/10 the speed of sound in average temperature at sea level.  Unless you're in the mountains, that can be a general guide to use.  The rule is different depending on what kind of system you're dealing with and who you talk to.  Car audio, as I mentioned above, is rife with compromises by necessity.  Space and weight are issues.  Car and road noise is a factor as well.  Because of these very real wrenches, my opinion of acceptable port noise is different with car audio than it is with high fidelity home audio.  Where I agree with 5% of speed of sound for the home, I am willing to accept 10% for the car.  So, 110 ft/sec or below at RMS power is fine with me for the car, as I very likely wouldn't know the difference with all the associated noises the car environment has.

It sounds like you're doing well with your enclosure.  Consider installing a subsonic filter on that if your amp doesn't have one.  You can set it below the Fb but not too far down.  For 43 Hz tuning, you can put a 35 Hz ss filter on it and be fine.  Use your test tones for testing during setup.

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=50823&KW=winisd for more of my input on using this program.

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So I've got one more question...
What is the lowest frequency I should be worried about hitting before going over that 112 ft/s line? Right now I've got a box modeled up that hits 112 ft/s at about 35hz.
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Posted: February 13, 2006 at 8:32 AM / IP Logged  
The chart "rear port air velocity" will show you the port air speed at the box tuning freq.  I don't understand your question about the lowest frequency you should be worried about...
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Posted: February 13, 2006 at 9:15 AM / IP Logged  
As someone whose tried and failed repeatedly to build an "spl" box, I would advise you not to bother...
I built a box for a 13w6 that peaked up like +16db at 60hz and was down 10db like +-5hz... it was the worst sounding piece of wood I've ever screwed together, but on test tones and this ONE techno song I had, it was also the loudest. On test tones and this ONE techno song.
Really, really huge waste of time. At like 30 - 40 hz you couldn't even hear bass anymore, just the rattling of the back half of the car .... really awful enclosure.
The end result was an enclosure that would play one part of a bassline *very* loudly, and then, when the bass would be inflected or whatever along with the music, it would suddenly drop to nothing but car rattle... really disjointed, awful sound..
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Yeah, I wasn't talking about an SPL enclosure with that last question. I'm designing a vented box for an Orion H2 12.4. It's going to be 2 ft^3 tuned to 28hz. When I look at the rear port air velocity chart, it hits 112 ft/s right at about 35 hz. I'm wondering if that frequency is too high to have that kind of port noise. Maybe I should try to redesign the vent so that it doesn't hit 112 ft/s until maybe 30 hz or something?
I guess my question was, how low of frequency would you want your sub to hit before it goes above the 112 ft/s line? I figured not a lot of songs will spend much time dipping below 35hz... Is this true?
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