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07 dodge ram 3500 viper 5501 idatalink


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swatter101 
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Posted: December 30, 2011 at 8:36 PM / IP Logged  
I need some help with wiring this remote starter/bypass up.
The viper instructions differ from the idatalink ones, so which ones do i go by?
And do i need to use relays as per doc 1084 or go with the datalink and just do what it says?
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Posted: December 30, 2011 at 10:38 PM / IP Logged  
I am going to assume you are using the Idata ADS-AL-CA. Follow the instructions in the Idata instructions. 1084 would only be needed if you were tying to do the install without a bypass that handled the MUX circuit the vehicle requires.
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Posted: December 30, 2011 at 10:51 PM / IP Logged  
So what wires for the viper remote starter do I need to hook up?
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Posted: December 31, 2011 at 5:03 AM / IP Logged  

Could use some more info.

Diesel or Gas?

Auto or Manual trans?

Which iDatalink bypass module?  Which Firmware and Firmware version?

Assuming Auto Trans & Gas, iDatalink with latest CH5 firmware and W2W mode.  Follow the iDatalink Type 3 install guide and make all the necessary connections shown from the iDatalink module to the Viper and the 5 connections from the iDatalink to the trucks 8 Pin ignition connector.

The following wires from the Viper will be connected to the truck:

H1/2 Red                                       +12V Battery

H1/3 Brown (-)                              Horn (optional)
H1/5 Black                                    Chassis ground
H1/11 Parking Light                    Set jumper,etc...

H3/5 Red                                    +12V Battery

H3/8 RED / Black                         +12V Battery

Remote start input, 5-pin connector

BLACK/ White                      NSS input
Gray                                   Hood Pin

Here is a note from the iDatalink Type 3 install guide :

WARNING: DO NOT CONNECT ANY OTHER ACCESSORY, IGNITION OR START WIRE

                     FROM THE REMOTE STARTER TO THE VEHICLE.

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swatter101 
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Posted: December 31, 2011 at 2:05 PM / IP Logged  
Its a diesel truck, automatic
Its the ADS-AL CA module. Sales guy said it was good to go when i asked about the firmware. Im assuming now its probably now flashed to the CH5 version, would that make a difference? Or can it still work?
I didn't know I needed the 3/5 and 3/8 wires hooked up to +12v, instruction said it was only for polarity feeds for relays.
Do i need to have the parking lights wired up for the remote start to work?
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Posted: December 31, 2011 at 2:35 PM / IP Logged  

The ADS AL CA flashed with ADS AL(DL) CH5 firmware is correct.  Did you get a special D2D harness ( not included in the box ) to

connect the ADS AL CA to the Viper in D2D mode?  I'm guessing not, but that will save you some money and W2W mode always
works.  Play it safe and connect the Viper to the iDatalink following the Type 3 install guide.  You will make all of the Black dashed
connections and most of the Red solid connections.  You can do all of those connections "on the bench" before the actual install.
Here is a photo of an ADS AL CA w/CH5 firmware mated W2W with an Ultra Start remote starter w/Keyless ready for install into
a Jeep Patriot :

07 dodge ram 3500 viper 5501 idatalink -- posted image.

Make sure you set the iDatalinks' Installation Mode to Standard ( 2 blinks ) and lock it in.  Then program the bypass to the truck.

Yes, H35 and H3/8 are required.  They are the source for H3/1, H3/3 and H3/4 outputs.  You will be using H3/1 and H3/4.

No, the Parking Lights are not required for the Viper to work, but provide a nice visible feedback to any commands from the FOB's.

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Posted: December 31, 2011 at 2:39 PM / IP Logged  
I do have the data wire that says it replaces all the black dashed and red wires needed,
Is that the one you mean?
If I don't have the module flashed will it still work?
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Posted: December 31, 2011 at 2:58 PM / IP Logged  

Check the iDatalink box for a white label.  It should list any firmware loaded on the module ( at the time of production ) and the associated install guide number.  If the store flashed the firmware, hopefully they noted it somewhere.

The extra D2D harness is a special harness that plugs in to the Vipers D2D port and then to the iDatalink's D2D port.  It is not included with the harnesses in the plastic bag.  It is called the ADS HRN DBI.  Here is a link for more info :  http://store.idatalink.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=143  Besides this special cable the iDatalink ADS AL CA would have to be flashed with the DBI AL(DL) CH5 version of firmware.  Check to see if the D2D harness has the correct ends on it and will plug into the correct ports.  Also contact the store to verify which flavor of CH5 firmware was flashed onto the bypass module.

If the module was flashed with either the ADS CH5 or the DBI CH5 firmware it will work in W2W mode.  If it was flashed with the DBI CH5 firmware and you have the correct harness, then, yes, you can use the D2D mode and eliminate a lot of wires between the units.

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swatter101 
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Posted: December 31, 2011 at 3:26 PM / IP Logged  
Well i do have that harness so thats good. But its still not working, so im guessing my module isnt flashed (can't find the box anymore to check it).
With everything hooked up it only makes a clicking sound when i try the remote start and the door locks dont work either, would this be because of it not being flashed?
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Posted: December 31, 2011 at 3:36 PM / IP Logged  
Did you try doing a Factory Reset on the bypass module?  After the reset, set the Install Mode to Data ( one blink ) and lock it in.  Then do the procedure to program the module to the truck.  All this is listed on the last 2 pages of the install guide #7783.
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