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tbothur0709 
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Posted: February 22, 2013 at 9:52 AM / IP Logged  
Using the door lock relay set up detailed on bulldog security for a 1 wire negative lock system (02 Ram 1500), do you have to isolate the two circuits since they both go into one wire or does the relay isolate the circuits? My door locks don't work properly with the relay set up that they use, the switch on my door works backwards and the locks don't work with the clicker on the remote start.
Link to diagram:
http://diagrams.marktoonen.nl/DOWNLOADS/26500_RAM-FULL-SIZE-PICKUP-_DODGE%20RAM%201%20WIRE%20JBS%20UNITS.pdf
lucasoil4u 
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Posted: February 22, 2013 at 10:31 AM / IP Logged  
you shouldnt need to diode isolate. you either have the relays wired wrong or the wrong resistors. Keep in mind you need to tap in a 2 different spots for the resistors. if you put them in the same spot resistance will be off.
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Posted: February 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM / IP Logged  
Yea, it sounds like you definitely have the wiring wrong. The relays shouldn't activate until you press the lock / unlock on the remote start and the factory wire should not see any added resistance without those relays activated.
Which unit do you have? Are the relays external (1st diagram) or external (2nd diagram)?
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tbothur0709 
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Posted: February 22, 2013 at 11:18 AM / IP Logged  
Right now I have my relays wired up like the diagram shows, but I have my reaistors coming together into one wire and tapping in at one spot. I can take a jumper from ground to each wire (lock and unlock with resistor) at the relay and the locks work as they should. Even though it works normal from that end would the wires coming together cause the switch to be backwards? Do I still need to separate them?
tbothur0709 
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Posted: February 22, 2013 at 11:27 AM / IP Logged  
I have the Clifford 1.1L. I can't find anythig to say whether or not it has onboard door lock relays or not. I know that one wire pulses a negative for unlock at the same time the other pulses positive. I'm nervous to hook it up without the relays without knowing. Will the positive pulse from the module harm the negative door lock circuit? Should I try it without the added relays?
howie ll 
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Posted: February 22, 2013 at 11:35 AM / IP Logged  
Needs two relays then each outputs two a resistor which then join together to join the vehicle wire.
Diode the lock outputs since they appear to be flip-flop, 1N4004, band toward 1.1L also if using separate relays, same diodes across coil, band to POS side of coil.
tbothur0709 
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Posted: February 22, 2013 at 11:44 AM / IP Logged  
So add a diode to each wire before they join together. Band away from the vehicle harness, and one across the coil on the resistor band towards positive. What purpose does it serve to place one on the relay? How can I tell if the module has on board door lock relays?
howie ll 
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Posted: February 22, 2013 at 11:53 AM / IP Logged  
Try this the diodes will "condition" the lock wires from the 1.1L:- 687_resistive_locks.bmp
howie ll 
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Posted: February 22, 2013 at 11:56 AM / IP Logged  
Two lock output + no onboard relays, 6 wire - onboard relays.
If you had onboard relays you'd only need the resistors.
The relay diode is a quenching diode to suppress the shut-down EMP/EMF generated about 200volts. It can destroy your 1.1.L.
tbothur0709 
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Posted: February 22, 2013 at 12:03 PM / IP Logged  
So do I need to add a diode to all relays that I put in? (Dome light relay and park light relay?
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