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rickalders 
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Posted: February 23, 2014 at 11:54 PM / IP Logged  
So I'm getting ready to purchase and install a Viper 5706v in a 1996 Toyota Tacoma and had a couple questions. I've installed probably half a dozen alarms with various aux functions but this is my first remote start. From what I've read, studied, etc. over the past few weeks I think I have a pretty good understanding of how the system will install.
My first question is are the IGN1, IGN2/flex, and starter wires from the 24 pin harness necessary if I only have one each IGN1, IGN2, and starter wire on the vehicle? Can I disregard these and just use the wires from the 10 pin harness since I only have one of each type?
My guess is that they're just redundant in case someone needed to use them but for most installations, they won't be necessary as the onboard relays cover most vehicles (like mine).
Secondly, is there any harm in supplying the fused 30 amp circuit for the IGN1, IGN2, and starter from an independent dedicated cable to the battery? I know I could run it off the existing constant wiring under the dash but would feel more comfortable supplying a separate circuit for it. Which way is preferred?
Finally, I found the quick reference sheet by searching this forum. Does anyone have the regular installation manual? I've been comparing the 5704v and 5706v and the only difference I see is the way they numbered the connectors (although the wire colors/functions appear the same).
Thanks for any help!
Rick
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Posted: February 24, 2014 at 6:28 AM / IP Logged  
The Ignition 1, Ignition 2 from the 24 pin harness are used to drive relays for those wires. You shouldn't need them in your Tacoma.
The heavy gauge harness will fill your needs.
The 5704 is a good guide for you. I can see that the wiring numbers have been renumbered on the 5706, but functions remain the same.
Running a line to the battery should be no problem. make sure to protect it from getting cut/chaffed over time.
Heavy Gauge harness:
Pins 2,RED / Black. 5,Red. and 9, RED / White to 12 volt source.
Pin 10, Pink to Ignition 1
Pin 4, Pink/White to Ignition 2
Pin 8, Orange to Accessory
Pin 6, Green to Key Side of cut Starter Wire, Pin 7, Violet to Starter Side of Cut Starter wire. OR..Pin 7, Violet to UNCUT starter Wire.
As always use a DMM to test and Verify wires before making connections
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howie (aka: harryharris)
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Posted: February 24, 2014 at 6:41 AM / IP Logged  
X2 with Smokeman, those NEG wires are for those (few) vehicles with 2 start and 2 ignition wires.
Don't think I've ever used more than 10 of those wires and that includes window up-down control.
They changed the wiring set up a few months ago.
Looking at wire side, 1 was top left, 2 bottom left, 3 top 2nd. left, 4 bottom 2nd. left etc. Now it's 1-12 across the top, left to right wireside and 13-24 bottom, Violet/white was 23, now 12.
The physical positions, wire colours and functions are the same.
As far as I can tell the only differences between 04 and 06 are remotes, antenna and antenna lead.
I believe that they aren't interchangeable.
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Which bypass are you using for this truck? I just did a 2010 with the DBALL2 and had a couple issues. I have some advice if you're using this module.
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Posted: February 24, 2014 at 7:56 AM / IP Logged  
Fre. surely a 96 US market doesn't need a bypass?
They only introduced them to Europe (statutory EEC requirement, thank you Germany) in Jan 1st. 1997.
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harryharris wrote:
Fre. surely a 96 US market doesn't need a bypass?
They only introduced them to Europe (statutory EEC requirement, thank you Germany) in Jan 1st. 1997.
Crap, I thought I saw 2006, sorry about that! I'm about to do a writeup on it though. Please disregard!
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Peter, we're 1 all now aren't we?   5706v multiple wires, same functions? -- posted image.
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The remotes, antenna, and antenna harness are NOT interchangeable with one model to the other. However, I did take a complete new style antenna, harness, and remote to an older 24 pin model and it did work.
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rickalders 
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Posted: February 24, 2014 at 10:33 AM / IP Logged  
smokeman1 wrote:
The Ignition 1, Ignition 2 from the 24 pin harness are used to drive relays for those wires. You shouldn't need them in your Tacoma.
The heavy gauge harness will fill your needs.
The 5704 is a good guide for you. I can see that the wiring numbers have been renumbered on the 5706, but functions remain the same.
Running a line to the battery should be no problem. make sure to protect it from getting cut/chaffed over time.
Heavy Gauge harness:
Pins 2,RED / Black. 5,Red. and 9, RED / White to 12 volt source.
Pin 10, Pink to Ignition 1
Pin 4, Pink/White to Ignition 2
Pin 8, Orange to Accessory
Pin 6, Green to Key Side of cut Starter Wire, Pin 7, Violet to Starter Side of Cut Starter wire. OR..Pin 7, Violet to UNCUT starter Wire.
As always use a DMM to test and Verify wires before making connections
Thanks, I appreciate your reply. With an alarm with so many aux functions on such a simple pickup, I'm planning to remove quite a few wires from the harness (I prefer to remove than cut, just in case I want them back later). Just wanted to confirm my suspicions on these 3.
As far as the separate line to the battery, I'm planning to route through an existing grommet that has plenty of space and fuse the line at the battery. No fires for me, thank you.
The only other wire I was curious about is the parking light isolation wire. I know I won't need it but is this for European cars with separate parking light circuits? Can someone explain how it functions compared to/along with the regular parking light wire?
rickalders 
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Posted: February 24, 2014 at 10:37 AM / IP Logged  
Ok, and one more question. Does the onboard starter relay include anti-grind functionality as is or do I need to add my own anti-grind relay?
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