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5704v to dball2 d2d and no remote start


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usermdr 
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Posted: May 25, 2014 at 1:42 PM / IP Logged  
I want to install a Viper 5704v alarm on my Audi A4, B8 2012, directly to the CAN (in D2D mode only) but with NO remote start.
I have purchased the following items:
1.     Viper 5704v Full Feature Car Alarm with Remote Start and 2-way Pager
2.     Xpres DBALL2 Kit Databus all Interface Modul
3.     Directed Electronics Inc XKLOADER2 XpressKit
4.     New-DIRECTED ELECTRONICS 508D DUAL-ZONE RADAR SENSOR - DEI508D
5.     Directed Electronics 506t Glass Break Sensor
6.     Install Essentials 507M Tilt Sensor
7.     Install Essentials 620V Viper Electro Luminescent Indicator
I have already flashed the DBALL2 for Audi A4, 2012 (I`ve checked all available options in “Standard install” configuration) but I have difficulties in understanding how to wire the Viper 5704v with DBALL2 and with the CAN using the D2D mode only.
I would be grateful if someone can help me.
howie ll 
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Posted: May 25, 2014 at 5:22 PM / IP Logged  
Got to be one of the easiest installs going, I do 4-6 VW/Audi/Seat per month and they don't come any simpler especially without remote start.
DEI have actually got the DB-ALL2 spot on with VAG cars, at least here in Europe.
On the main brain you need to connect H1 all except the white and BROWN / white cut off and tape away.
Orange and a spur fused 1 amp from your red to the 620V.
Red to any thick plain red at the dash side fuse box.
Black with an 6mm (10mm spanner size)bolt to any pre-tapped hole on the cross-brace.
Brown to the red of siren, siren black to the black mentioned above.
On the brain all you need is H1 no H2 except the blue instant trigger wire,, lock wires or plug in on-off switch.
On H3 use ignition in out (pink) and connect to grey black on the DB-ALL2 red plug.
If you want starter cut use the green and violet on H3 to the ignition or starter switch and cut and join green to switch and violet to starter what ever wire goes hot on start for under one second as the engine fires up.
You can discard the white plug with its thick leads, 18ga wire and crimp terminals are all you need.
Shock sensor to mux 1, 508d to mux 2.
Tilt sensor; red to your 12V+ supply, orange to your orange mentioned above, at the Y join diode separate, bands of diodes (1N4004) towards the alarm brain.
Glass break joins in with shock sensor but again diode the green and blue, diode bands away from the alarm brain.
Test all these sensors separately, start with the prox then glass, shock and tilt, frankly with the glass and tilt I wouldn't bother with the shock.
I also cut the two loops to reduce sensitivity and false alarms. Frankly if you don't follow my last paragraph advice you will be plagued with false alarms.
Last plug in blue plug to DB-ALL2 I twist the CAN pair, P.S. those CAN wires are also at the body control under dash and ignition leads.
Last finger on DB-ALL2 push switch,plug in the white DB-ALL2 plug and
release on Orange. Follow key programming to let your factory remote control the alarm BUT I wouldn't in case someone who shouldn't gets hold of or copies your factory key fob.
Last comment use Internet Explorer not Chrome to down load the Xpress kit software and for your flash programming, it won't work on Chrome.
howie ll 
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Posted: May 25, 2014 at 5:30 PM / IP Logged  
Hey, why am I even bothering? The Romanian distributor is where they developed the DB-ALL2 for Europe, not Canada.5704v to dball2 d2d and no remote start -- posted image.
usermdr 
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Posted: May 26, 2014 at 5:27 AM / IP Logged  
Thank you!
I really appreciate your help.
howie ll 
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Posted: May 26, 2014 at 5:38 AM / IP Logged  
18ga wire = c .0.75mm.
usermdr 
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Posted: May 26, 2014 at 3:11 PM / IP Logged  
Before starting please confirm if I am right with the wiring.
Here is what I have understood from you.
I have some other questions regarding the key programming but I will ask you letter if may allowed.
Thank you once again for your help.
VIPER 5704V
MAIN BRAIN, 6 PIN CONNECTOR
H1/1 - RED (+)12 DC CONSTANT INPUT @ CONSTANT 12 VOLT
H1/2 - BLACK (-)CHASSIS GROUND @ GROUND
H1/3 - BROWN (+)SIREN OUTPUT @ RED POSITIVE WIRE OF SIREN (Black wire of Siren @ Ground)
H1/4 - WHITE/ BROWN PARK LIGHT ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87A OF ONBOARD RELAY – NOT USED
H1/5 - WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT – NOT USED
H1/6 - ORANGE (-) 500MA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTUT @ ORANGE (-) TILT SENSOR AND BLACK (-) LUMINISCENT INDICATOR (with 2 diodes (1N4004) – Y join towards the alarm brain)
AUX/SHUTDOWN/TRIGGER BRAIN 24 PIN CONNECTOR
H2/1 - PINK/WHITE(-) 200MA IGNITION/FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/2 - BLACK WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT – NOT USED
H2/3 - BLUE/ WHITE (-) 200MA 2ND STATUS/REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/4 - GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200MA OEM ALARM DISARM OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/5 - RED / WHITE (-) TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/6 - GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT NORM OPEN NORM CLOSE – NOT USED
H2/7 - BLACK YELLOW (-) 200MA DOME LIGHT SUPERVISION OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/8 - BROWN / BLACK (-) 200MA HORN HONK OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/9 - DARK BLUE (-) 200MA STATUS OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/10 - PINK (-) 200MA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/11 - WHITE BLACK (-) 200MA AUX 3 OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/12 - VIOLET (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT – NOT USED
H2/13 - WHITE VIOLET (-) 200MA AUX 1 OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/14 - VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200MA AUX 2 OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/15 - ORANGE / BLACK (-) 200MA AUX 4 OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/16 - BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT – NOT USED
H2/17 - GREY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT NORM OPEN NORM CLOSE – NOT USED
H2/18 - VIOLET / YELLOW (-) 200MA STARTER OUTPUT – NOT USED
H2/19 - BLUE (-) TRUNK PIN/INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT (N/C or N/O) @ BLUE TILT SENSOR
H2/20 - GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT - NOT USED
H2/21 - WHITE BLUE (-) REMOTE START/TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT - NOT USED
H2/22 - ORANGE (-) 200MA ACCESSORY OUTPUT - NOT USED
H2/23 - VIOLET WHITE TACH INPUT - NUMBER 4 INJECTOR - NOT USED
H2/24 - GREEN WHITE (-) 200MA OEM ARM OUTPUT - NOT USED
REMOTE START, 10 PIN HEAVY GAUGE CONNECTOR
H3/1 - PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT @ PIN 7 GRAY/BLACK (+) IGNITION OUTPUT (DB-ALL2)
H3/2 - RED / WHITE (+) FUSED 30A IGNITION 2/ FLEX REPLAY INPUT 87 - NOT USED
H3/3 - ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT - NOT USED
H3/4 - VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT CAR SIDE OF STARTED KILL - NOT USED
H3/5 - GREEN (+) STARTED INPUT KEY SIDE OF STARTER KILL - NOT USED
H3/6 - RED (+) FUSED 30A IGNITION 1 INPUT - NOT USED
H3/7 - PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 FLEX RELAY OUTPUT - NOT USED
H4/8 - PINK/BLACK (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A KEY SIDE IF REQUIRED OF FLEX RELAY - NOT USED
H3/9 - RED / BLACK (+) FUSED 30A ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT - NOT USED
H3/10 - NO CONNECTION
DOOR LOCK 3 PIN CONNECTOR
1 - BLUE (-) 500MA UNLOCK OUTPUT - NOT USED
2 - EMPTY
3 - GREEN (-) 500MA LOCK OUTPUT - NOT USED
MUX 1 @ SHOCK SENSOR AND GLASS BREAK (green and blue Y join with diodes away from alarm brain)
MUX 2 @ 508d SENSOR
TILT SENSOR – cut two loops to reduce sensitivity
RED @ 12V+ SUPLY
ORANGE (with diode toward the alarm brain) @ H1/6 - ORANGE (-) 500MA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTUT
BLUE @ H2/19 - BLUE (-) TRUNK PIN/INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT (N/C or N/O)
All sensors must be tested separately (prox and glass then shock and tilt)
RF PORT @ CONTROL CENTER
DB-ALL2 (BLUE PORT)
PIN 5 ORANGE / GREEN:FT CAN High @ ORANGE / GREEN: VEHICLE CAN High
PIN 6 ORANGE / BROWN:FT CAN Low @ ORANGE / BROWN: VEHICLE CAN Low
D2D RED PORT (VIPER 5704v) @ D2D WHITE PORT (DB-ALL2)
     
howie ll 
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Posted: May 26, 2014 at 3:13 PM / IP Logged  
Absolutely correct.
usermdr 
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Posted: May 26, 2014 at 4:43 PM / IP Logged  
I am a little bit concerned about the warning you make me aware in regard with the key programming.
If I correctly understood during the key programming (Remote Pairing) I have to take care that there is no other person that is doing the same like me but with another remote control.
howie ll 
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Posted: May 26, 2014 at 4:48 PM / IP Logged  
If you program the OEM key and someone "obtains" (steals or in collusion with a crooked stores manager they can turn the alarm off and drive away.
If you don't program the OEM (factory) key AND do the starter cut, there's no chance of that happening.
usermdr 
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Posted: May 26, 2014 at 5:13 PM / IP Logged  
Sorry but my English is not so good and I don’t understand very well.
Do you mean that the OEM key (the key I am starting the engine of my car) can be programmed to arm/disarm the alarm?
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