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fxdwg 
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I have a Viper 5706, in 1996 ford van, everything works fine, but I am contemplating piezio sirens inside the vehicle, on an adjustable timer of say 20 minutes, powered from the backup battery, through a relay, however, my fear is that the DEI glass breakage sensor will keep the alarm going off, over and over again, until the backup battery dies, and silences the pain Piezio sirens inside the vehicle. Could be days, ha.
I will be energizing the coil of the relay ( 86 and 85) diode protected, from the BROWN / black, horn honk output -200ma output,triggering the 20 minute adjustable timer, and having the backup battery, a rather large motorcycle battery powering the sirens on terminals 30 and 87, for this 20 minute pain generating cycle.
Would there be a setting, besides NPC the Nuisance Protection Circuit, or a device, that would avoid this glass sensor hearing the sirens in the interior of the vehicle, (3 of em) and having this problem? I suppose I could get another timer for the DEI 506T glass sensor, to interrupt it for say 30 min, after the first trigger, should one actually occur???   
As I have not actually ran this system yet, with the lengthy interior sirens, I am hoping someone can for-see this problem, or has a solution for this scenario. Thanks in advance.
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freqsounds 
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Posted: July 22, 2014 at 8:55 PM / IP Logged  
You could wire in a relay to cut off the (+) of the glass sensor if the piezio siren is going off. But usually, if the alarm is going off, the sensors go into standby mode until the alarm times out or the vehicle is disarmed. Curious to know how it plays out.
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catback 
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Posted: July 23, 2014 at 1:26 AM / IP Logged  
A 1996 ford van glass sensor 506t -- posted image.
Is this van made of gold?
You should check into your local ordinances on how long your alarm siren is allowed to sound for without intervention.
fxdwg 
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Posted: July 23, 2014 at 10:24 AM / IP Logged  
As one might suspect, it is full of tools,, had em stolen once, and am a bit afraid. The alarms are on the interior, so you can hardly hear them on the outside. The stock Viper 6-tone avenger siren is under the truck, half filled with a rag, so it is not too annoying, however, only the interior sirens are on a "backup battery" that can be adjusted up to an hour, I chose 20 min. Also a hidden bypass on the hot to the interior sirens, for when I accidentally set it off.
Not made of gold, but try as one might, you can not ever really feel the pain of having your tools stolen, at night, while you sleep only to find the side door open when you go to work in the morning.
So,,, I have taken steps, "Layers" as they say. Viper 5706 pages me also. A company called "Auto Lock" makes door dead bolts, and that will go in next, I hate the big master key shackles on the outside. Looks terrible, and can be picked too, I am sure. Anyone use these auto bolt,,, dead bolts?
   Like a door lock solenoid, but is small motor, like door locks, only horizontally locking pins about an inch in diameter into receiving plates. Work off of the viper remote and relays.
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catback 
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To each his own but it's my opinion that alarms aren't effective when thieves are targeting your tools. Even with your alarm going full blast a thief that came with a plan can make off with your most valuable tools before you make it to the window to see them drive off.
I do understand your plight, I used to work out of my truck with alot of value in and on it. Never had an alarm on it though and I worked in some questionable neighborhoods and I wasn't in view of it full time. My only security was locks but because my arrival was unexpected, relatively short, and never to be redone the people who would have loved to pinch my stuff never had the time or opportunity. At home is a different story, I knew any thieves in my neighborhood would catch on quick about what I kept in the truck and when it'd be home. So I always parked it deep in my driveway tucked right next to my dining room window and fairly blocked by another vehicle.
I've had a friend get his work truck stolen with all this tools in it. The police did end up recovering the truck but not anywhere in the condition it was in before getting stolen. His greatest savior, and the only real safety net against thieves, was insurance. He bought a new work van and reacquired the tools lost.
But to each his own, if you park your van on the street curb all I can say is your a brave man if you don't live in an upscale sub-division. I could never do it.
linkarmy09 
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fxdwg wrote:
   Like a door lock solenoid, but is small motor, like door locks, only horizontally locking pins about an inch in diameter into receiving plates. Work off of the viper remote and relays.

I wanted to do something similar but to my trunk, so someone would not be able to pick the key lock or pull the trunk lever. I would have the lock also controlled by my alarm and also have an other hidden button inside to open trunk. Let us know how it goes with those locks?

howie ll 
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Posted: July 23, 2014 at 5:23 PM / IP Logged  
Sometimes people expect too much from sensors, had a phone call today from a 7 Series BMW owner, wanted an an alarm to cover his repeatedly stolen badges on hood and trunk. Yeah right and how many times would I have to explain why he'll have false alarms.
davep. 
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Posted: July 23, 2014 at 7:43 PM / IP Logged  
howie ll wrote:
from a 7 Series BMW owner, wanted an an alarm to cover his repeatedly stolen badges on hood and trunk.
How about a canister of mace dispensed through a nozzle adjacent to the badges, with a video cam taking a shot of the whole attempt? Sounds like fun times, to me.
Back in the 80's a client of mine got tired of the $300 Flying Lady being stolen of the front of his Rolls Royce. He had it wired to the alarm. I don't know if the Flying Lady then stayed attached to the car, but he felt better. And it was fun to wiz him off by touching the Flying Lady and setting his alarm off.
freqsounds 
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All BSing aside, electronic deadbolts probably aren't the best option. If they get stuck or the battery dies, there is no way to get inside the van.
Here's a couple options I thought of, although I'm not sure how strong your budget is:
- Replace the Master lock with a cipher lock.
- Install a lockable bulkhead behind the front seats and install MANUAL deadbolts, chains, or bar locks in the back doors. Lock up from the bulkhead at night. (http://www.hwaccessories.com/ADeck/AD-bulkhead2.jpg)
- Upgrade to a SmartStart. This will link to your phone and give you alerts as long as you have service.
- It may also help to engrave serial numbers into your tools. If they ever get stolen, the police would have a way to identify your tools.
Hopefully this helps!
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howie ll 
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Posted: July 24, 2014 at 12:12 AM / IP Logged  
I'd go with freqsounds here, davep ALL RR's had the lady wired to the horns from 81. At least UK models did.

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