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mai42356 
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Posted: August 03, 2016 at 7:09 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote mai42356
I am a former installer of 17 years (MECP certified first class), retooled to work with computers at 42 and now I am close to retiring. But I bought my first Jeep and want to put security in it. I have installed countless security systems in my career but these new systems are tricky. Can anyone help me understand the rules of connecting external (Alpine 8327 impact) sensors to a Directed Clifford 5906x. I cannot find the tech tip referenced and the online info is hard to find. I know there are restrictions on the current carrying for the sensor ports and I can run dedicated power and ground. The larger question is what can be expected on the trigger input. Will the sensor trigger a warn away event or a full alarm and what is the relationship of the blue and green wires? Any help here would greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Michael
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Let me know if this works.
https://www.directechs.com/repository/Docs/TechTips/1924.pdf
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green wire (warn away) and blue (trigger)
Some alarm brains take the green wire (warn away) and blue (trigger) as discrete (separate) inputs. Other alarm brains allow you to multiplex them together to a single line and the brain determines by the timing of the sensor pulse (short or long), whether it will issue a warn away or alarm trigger command.
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@beegbie Thanks for the Link.
Uploaded to the Downloads/Manuals section of this site.
Link Here: DEI Tech Tip 1924-Adding external sensor/s to a Directed system
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Posted: August 15, 2016 at 6:01 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote mai42356
Thanks to everyone for the info and links.
You guys are AWESOME!!!
I believe I have a good basic understanding of the blue / green mystery, however I have one more concern in this hook-up.
I have purchased a Clifford 5906 and it has two sets of 4 pin sensor inputs. The alarm only comes with one dual stage impact sensor. I presume I will simply plug that sensor into the port "one" without any modification. My last question is:
Is it possible to use the second port (I will need to find a connector) and use the blue input for my two alpine sensors (instant trigger) and use the green input for a proximity sensor (warn away only). (All of my additional sensors must have their own dedicated power and ground supplies I have noted.) So my question is just about using the second port trigger wires leveraging the instant and warn away trigger inputs independently to separate sensor(s) (trigger outputs). I hope I have worded this question well enough to understand what I am trying to do... Thanks again.
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Yes as long as you don't overload the power and ground on the ports you can hook up as many sensors as you like, using each green and blue wire as a zone up to 4 if you connect the shock sensor to only one of the wires by combining the to wired from the shock sensor to only one of the wires on port 1 you can use the other for an additional zone.
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Posted: August 15, 2016 at 6:59 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote mai42356
Thank you for the fast response. And I think I have it, but the question remains, if I use the blue and green wires for different zones as you have suggested, does either of them just do warn away, say the green wire for example. And the other does just instant, say the blue wire for example, or when used this way do both wires go to instant in separate zones?
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Warnaway is done internally in the brain so connecting both wires together will make the shock sensor work on a single zone with the short pulse trigger for warnaway and the longer or sustaind input go to full alarm.
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I think I understand that part, but I am using two Apline 8327 sensors from the old days and they have only have one trigger wire that I believe will trigger full alert. So what I am trying to do here is use those on port two input on the main unit (blue wire) and use my directed prox on the just the warn away portion (green wire?). I understand the 5906 will use multiplexing when it sees a multiplex sensor hookup. But when it sees a non multiplexed sensor on port two blue wire and another non multiplexed sensor on port two green wire, how does it handle the input signals from each of these two non multiplexed sensors?
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Posted: August 15, 2016 at 8:10 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote lurch228
As the same source if the input is the same. Typically the only difference is the .3-.5 second input is warn away and any longer is full alarm. You can have as many sensors as you want on a input zone. But the effect will still be a zone alarm whether 1 sensor or both trigger the zone it won't tell you which sensor it was only that the specific zone was triggered.
As zone 3 and 4 since port 2 is 3 and 4 and port 1 is zone 1 and 2 on the report from the unit.
You can hook both the wires from the shock sensor to zone 1 then hook both the 508D proximity sensor wires to zone 2 and still have warnaway and full trigger for each.

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