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baseem 
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Posted: February 27, 2007 at 7:26 PM / IP Logged  
Hello all,
I used to be a car stereo installer a while back (just for a short time). I'm for the most part a hobbyist... and in my brief experience I did only basic alarms on basic domestic cars.
Anyhow I'm wanting to install my remote start alarm into my 2005 Toyota Camry. I do not have the transponder key set (99.9% sure). I don't have access to DEI's resources and so I'm going off of an old set of PDF wiring guides I purchased a couple of years back.
My question(s) are:
1. As I best understand it, the taps for the door lock are as follows:
Power Lock: [Blue / YELLOW (-)] Driver's Kick Panel
Power Unlock: [Blue (-)] Driver's Kick Panel
...And the unlock requires a double pulse. Does anyone know of a good ready-made universal double pulse module, or am I stuck building my own?
My alarm has negative lock outputs, so I should be able to just tap into these wires directly with no issues?
2. I also believe that this car has 2 ignition wires in addition to the starter and accessory wires as follows:
Starter (BLACK/ White)
Accessory (Blue)
Ignition #1(BLACK/ Red)
Ignition #2(BLACK / YELLOW)
My alarm (Marksman M11A) has separate Ignition 1, 2, starter and accessory output wires, so I should just be able to wire these in directly without any trouble?
I'm planning on using the voltage sense feature on the marksman for the remote start timing.
green6767 
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Posted: February 27, 2007 at 7:52 PM / IP Logged  
Does your remote start have a double-pulse option in the programming?
Also, you can wire up the ignitions just the way you explained.
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baseem 
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Posted: February 27, 2007 at 8:59 PM / IP Logged  
I assume you mean the alarm having a double-pulse option for the door lock unit? In this case, I do not believe it has an integrated double pulse option.
And thanks for some confirmation on the ignition wiring.
Aside from the double-pulse unlock mechanism, are those the correct wires to tap?
The reason I'm questioning it is because I was under the impression that almost all Toyotas, Nissans, and Hondas used the more complex 3 and 5 wire door lock systems. I suppose that this is not the case after all?
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Posted: February 28, 2007 at 8:24 AM / IP Logged  
LOCK Blue / YELLOW In driver's kickpanel   - 
 BLUE / YELLOW is located in a 13-pin blue connector and BLUE is located in a 20-pin white connector. (See the photo).
 UNLOCK Blue (double pulse) In driver's kickpanel   - 
 BLUE / YELLOW is located in a 13-pin blue connector and BLUE is located in a 20-pin white connector. (See the photo).
You have the correct wires for your locks....hard to imagine NOT having a programming option for double pulse. Maybe read again?
baseem 
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Posted: February 28, 2007 at 8:36 AM / IP Logged  
I checked the manual just now. As best I can understand it from reading the programming section, it is factory defaulted to a "double step unlock" feature - I guess meaning that it allows for the user to program a driver's door first unlock system...
http://www.magnadyne.com/MagPublic/Pictures/M11A_IM.pdf
(A link to the install manual PDF file)
I believe the double pulse means that the first pulse "wakes up" the car and that the second door unlock pulse unlocks the car. If I have to press the unlock button twice to get the doors unlocked - oh well, it's not a big deal to me.
I appreciate all of the responses a lot fellas, thanks.
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Posted: February 28, 2007 at 9:55 AM / IP Logged  
The double pulse unlock option is listed in the manual, page 18. Option programming using button one on the transmitter, three chirp setting, "Double pulse unlock". You would need to turn that feature on. There is no need to use the second unlock output from the brain unless you wanted to retain driver's door priority unlocking.
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baseem 
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Posted: February 28, 2007 at 10:00 AM / IP Logged  
Wow! I must be going blind...
Thanks a whole lot for taking the time to look at that, I really appreciate all of the input and assistance. Thanks a lot to everyone.
baseem 
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Posted: February 28, 2007 at 12:54 PM / IP Logged  
QUESTION AGAIN:
Door Locks...
I did some browsing around the forumn and came across this thread:
https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=52070&KW=2005+camry
I copied and pasted the diagram below that someone said came directly from DEI... In it you can see it mentions the door lock motor and the 5 wire relay set. The diagram I got just insisted that wiring directly to the door lock wires was all that was necessary and the calamity of the 5 wire relay setup is not mentioned in it.
Anyone know if the 5 wire relay set is in fact necessary? If it is: I've heard of some bad experiences people have had with those - shorting out door lock control units and ECU's...
DIRECTWIRE™ WIRING INFORMATION - TOYOTA / CAMRY / 2005 / Remote Start
12volts WHITE/ red (30A), white (5A)   +   ignition harness
Starter BLACK/ white   +   ignition harness
Second Starter BLACK / YELLOW   +   ignition harness
Ignition BLACK/ red   +   ignition harness
Second Ignition BLACK / YELLOW   +   ignition harness
Third Ignition N/A       
Accessory blue/red   +   ignition harness
Second Accessory N/A       
Keysense blue   -   ign harn or BECU, top plug, pin 19
Notes: Using the status output to trigger this wire during remote start will disarm the alarm without unlocking the doors.
The Body ECU is attached to the back of the fuse box under the driver side dash. The plugs for the BECU are on the left side edge.
Power Lock blue / YELLOW   -   DKP or bottom of fusebox, 20 pin plg
Notes: Meter this wire while turning the key in the driver door key cylinder.
Power Unlock blue (double pulse)   -   DKP or BECU, top plug, pin 22
Notes: Meter this wire while turning the key in the driver door key cylinder.
The Body ECU is attached to the back of the fuse box under the driver side dash. The plugs for the BECU are on the left side edge.
Can also use the passenger door key cylinder unlock wire, which only requires a single pulse. It is blue/white (-) in the BECU, top plug, pin 21.
Lock Motor blue/red   5wi DKP or bottom of fusebox, 13 pin plg
Unlock Motor blue/black   5wi DKP or BECU, bottom plug, pin 11
Notes: The Body ECU is attached to the back of the fuse box under the driver side dash. The plugs for the BECU are on the left side edge.
Parking Lights+ green   +   DKP or bottom of fusebox, 20 pin plg
Parking Lights- red   -   switch or BECU, top plug, pin 8
Notes: The Body ECU is attached to the back of the fuse box under the driver side dash. The plugs for the BECU are on the left side edge.
Hazards lt. GREEN/ black   -   switch or BECU, middle plug, pin 10
Notes: The Body ECU is attached to the back of the fuse box under the driver side dash. The plugs for the BECU are on the left side edge.
Turn Signal(L) GREEN / WHITE   +   turn signal flasher relay in DKP
Turn Signal(R) GREEN/ YELLOW   +   turn signal flasher relay in DKP
Reverse Light RED / black   +   DKP or bottom of fusebox, 20 pin plg
Door Trigger see notes   -   see notes
Notes: The LF door is RED / green in the BECU, bottom plug, pin 1. The RF door is RED / green in the BECU, top plug, pin 11. The rear doors are RED / white in the bottom of the fuse box, 20 pin plug, pin 7. Use all three wires and diode isolate each.
The Body ECU is attached to the back of the fuse box under the driver side dash. The plugs for the BECU are on the left side edge.
Dome Supervision GREEN/ red   -   ignition key cylinder light
Trunk/Hatch Pin green   -   DKP or BECU, bottom plug, pin 6
Notes: The Body ECU is attached to the back of the fuse box under the driver side dash. The plugs for the BECU are on the left side edge.
Hood Pin black   -   theft deterrent ECU behind glovebox
Trunk/Hatch Release WHITE/ blue   5wi DKP or BECU, bottom plug, pin 12
Notes: The Body ECU is attached to the back of the fuse box under the driver side dash. The plugs for the BECU are on the left side edge.
Power Sliding Door N/A       
Factory Alarm Arm arms with lock       
Factory Alarm Disarm disarms with unlock       
Disarm No Unlock use key sense wire       
Tachometer BLACK/ orange   ac   ECM behind glovebox
Notes: On the 4 cylinder models, it is in the 2nd plug from the top, pin 1. On the 6 cylinder models, it is in the top plug, pin 5.
Can also go to any ignition coil or fuel injector and use the wire that is NOT BLACK/ red, WHITE/ red, or WHITE/ black.
Wait to start N/A       
Brake Wire GREEN / WHITE   +   sw or bottom of fusebox, 20 pin plug
Parking Brake RED / white   -   parking brake switch
Horn Trigger GREEN/ black   -   sw or bottom of fusebox, 24 pin plug
Memory Seat 1 N/A       
Memory Seat 2 N/A       
Memory Seat 3 N/A       
Immobilizer Bypass Module: Required: Yes Type: Transponder Part #: 556U or 555U
Notes: Standard on the LE V6, SE V6, and XLE models.
       
This wiring information is being provided free of charge on an "as is" basis, without any representation or warranty. It is your responsibility to verify any circuit before interfacing with it using a digital multimeter.
Directed electronics, Inc. assumes no responsibility with regards to the accuracy or currency of this information. Proper installation in every case is and remains the responsibility of the installer. DEI assumes no liability or responsibility resulting from improper installation, even in reliance upon this information.
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Posted: February 28, 2007 at 1:31 PM / IP Logged  
The doorlocks on your car are easy, no 5 wire needed just hook up and program a double pulse for unlock. The only thing that is 5-wire or reverse polarity is the trunk release if you have a power trunk release.
baseem 
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Posted: February 28, 2007 at 2:42 PM / IP Logged  
Thanks for the replies.
The one thing I'm now a bit concerned about is the remote start.
1. After reading the DEI chart, I see a listing for the key-sense wire. For the remote start to work, will I need to connect that to one of leads of the alarm that is grounded while unarmed?
2. I was very sure I didn't have the transponder key set, but after seeing some posts on here, I do have a Camry LE. According to the DEI chart LE models come standard with the transponder security set. I'm currently at work 'til pretty late so I can't test it yet, but I have a plain-jane looking "valet" key I was given along with my 2 regular keys (which have molded black ends that probably could house an RF chip, but look just like any other regular key). I was told the valet key opens the car and drives it but will not allow access to the trunk or the glove compartment if they are locked. I've never confirmed this since I don't exactly frequent places with valet service! Do ya'll think I still need a universal bypass module?
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