the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
icon

intercom wiring


Post ReplyPost New Topic
< Prev Topic Next Topic >
sumnerhousesf 
Member - Posts: 6
Member spacespace
Joined: January 09, 2010
Location: California, United States
Posted: January 09, 2010 at 6:10 PM / IP Logged  
I am trying to wire an intercom and a keypad to work together on the same electric lock for an entry gate. I have tried the configuration below in Diagram A:
intercom wiring -- posted image.
Both the Keypad and the doorfone work off of a 12v DC transformer. In the above diagram A only the keypad will unlock the lock. When I try to unlock with the Doorfone, you can hear it click and working, but nothing happens. For the Doorfone, power is being run to the negative(-) end of the doorstrike contact. The doorfone works when i connect it directly to the lock without the keypad. I assume the doorfone has an open collector transistor to short the - side to the negative supply of the keylock when connected directly. The doorfone only seems to work if both the + and - door strike contacts are connected to the lock.
My question is can I make both doorfone and keypad work with this configuration? Do I need to add a separate DPDT relay? If so, what would the wiring look like. Thanks for any help on this!
i am an idiot 
Platinum - Posts: 13,667
Platinum spaceThis member consistently provides reliable informationspace
Joined: September 21, 2006
Location: Louisiana, United States
Posted: January 09, 2010 at 8:12 PM / IP Logged  
What is the maximum current output capability of the door phone? What are the current requirements of the 16volt lock? Are you sure the door phone module puts out 12 volts? Or is it maybe a 5volt output?
sumnerhousesf 
Member - Posts: 6
Member spacespace
Joined: January 09, 2010
Location: California, United States
Posted: January 09, 2010 at 9:23 PM / IP Logged  
The door stike uses 8-16VAC or 3-6VDC.
When wired individually, the doorfone will open the lock fine. My problem is getting both units to work on the same lock.
i am an idiot 
Platinum - Posts: 13,667
Platinum spaceThis member consistently provides reliable informationspace
Joined: September 21, 2006
Location: Louisiana, United States
Posted: January 09, 2010 at 9:36 PM / IP Logged  
It has to be a bad relay or bad connection on the keypad. Can you check continuity between the output of the door phone to the electric lock. If it does not show a good connection, check the solder joints and traces on the back of the board of the Keypad.
KPierson 
Platinum - Posts: 3,527
Platinum spaceThis member consistently provides reliable informationspace
Joined: April 14, 2005
Location: Ohio, United States
Posted: January 09, 2010 at 11:23 PM / IP Logged  
The "not used" contact on the dry relay contact should be connected to 12vdc
Kevin Pierson
dualsport 
Silver - Posts: 983
Silver spacespace
Joined: September 27, 2005
Location: United States
Posted: January 10, 2010 at 6:19 AM / IP Logged  
yep, the dry contacts designation on the doorfone means there's no connection from them to power or ground, so you have to supply it externally through that contact you left open.
How it came about that they're called "dry" is a mystery. And if they're not "dry" then what are they? intercom wiring -- posted image.
sumnerhousesf 
Member - Posts: 6
Member spacespace
Joined: January 09, 2010
Location: California, United States
Posted: January 10, 2010 at 1:46 PM / IP Logged  
Thanks so much for the responses. Here is something else confusing for me. On the doorfone, the - dry contact has power running to it all the time. When I connect the - dry contact to the keypad at the NC output, it activates the lock and keeps the lock open. This leads me to believe that the + and - dry contacts work together to short the connection and open the lock.
In the above diagram if I connect the - dry contact to the 12VDC wont that create a short since there is current running through the - contact? How should I properly wire this? just a bit confused here.
KPierson 
Platinum - Posts: 3,527
Platinum spaceThis member consistently provides reliable informationspace
Joined: April 14, 2005
Location: Ohio, United States
Posted: January 10, 2010 at 1:55 PM / IP Logged  

If it truely has a "dry contact" then there should be no voltage on either contact unless you put it there (hence the name "dry").

The dry contact should be a C and a NO (or NC depending on the hardware).  In a dry contact you don't have a (-) and a (+) as it is simply a switch so whatever you put in you'll get out.

Kevin Pierson
dualsport 
Silver - Posts: 983
Silver spacespace
Joined: September 27, 2005
Location: United States
Posted: January 10, 2010 at 3:56 PM / IP Logged  
Like Kevin said, the dry contacts shouldn't show anything on them if left unconnected. We were assuming the description was accurate, but after poking around a bit, it appears you're missing the door strike controller as shown in this diagram that I found - (your other thread on gardenweb also came up- intercom wiring -- posted image.
intercom wiring -- posted image.
The extra door strike controller shown is probably a relay, so your Door Fone output (which is NOT a dry contact but a low output control for a relay) is not able to drive the door solenoid directly.
If you check that the red output from the door fone is 12V, you can simply add a relay and the COM and NO terminals (30 and 87) will provide the "dry" contacts you need for your connection.
i am an idiot 
Platinum - Posts: 13,667
Platinum spaceThis member consistently provides reliable informationspace
Joined: September 21, 2006
Location: Louisiana, United States
Posted: January 10, 2010 at 4:12 PM / IP Logged  
sumnerhousesf wrote:
When wired individually, the doorfone will open the lock fine. My problem is getting both units to work on the same lock.
Page of 2

  Printable version Printable version Post ReplyPost New Topic
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

  •  
Search the12volt.com
Follow the12volt.com Follow the12volt.com on Facebook
Thursday, April 25, 2024 • Copyright © 1999-2024 the12volt.com, All Rights Reserved Privacy Policy & Use of Cookies
Disclaimer: *All information on this site ( the12volt.com ) is provided "as is" without any warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, including but not limited to fitness for a particular use. Any user assumes the entire risk as to the accuracy and use of this information. Please verify all wire colors and diagrams before applying any information.

Secured by Sectigo
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
Support the12volt.com
Top
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer