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Topic: opinion on my labor price sheet

Posted By: ceasar326
Subject: opinion on my labor price sheet
Date Posted: July 16, 2008 at 9:48 PM

I would like everybodys opinion on my labor price sheet from shop

Audio
$25- aftermarket H.U
$35- stock radio
$50- striped wires
$40- speakers
$70- all 4 speakers
$50- changer, satalites
$60- 2ch amp
$75- 4ch amp
$120- 2 amps
$25- misc
$5- shop fees

Video
$50- per headrest
$50- per visor
$25- rear view mirror
$50- DVD player
$150- flipdown screens
$100- indash DVD
$35- cameras
$25- misc

Alarm
$100- basic

Starter
$100- basic

Alarm/starter
$150- basic

Options
$25 bypass
$50 window rollup
$25- misc
$5- shop fees

Troubleshoot
work from other shop mistakes
$50- 1st hour
$25- hour after that.

What do you guys think?



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Posted By: kassdog
Date Posted: July 17, 2008 at 2:33 AM
Looks like you are a cheap shop(price not quality). Those are very competetive labor rates. What area of the U.S. are you located.




Posted By: ceasar326
Date Posted: July 17, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Minnesota. And its u get for what u pay for. We don't do $10 dollar jobs for half an hour work using tape. We do real professional jobs.




Posted By: kassdog
Date Posted: July 17, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Oh no I wasn't refering to the fact that they are high I was refering to them being low. Is that the going rate for stuff up ther.e




Posted By: ceasar326
Date Posted: July 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM

No actually there more expensive, the closes 12volt shop around my area are 1hour away. hows your area out there?





Posted By: overworked
Date Posted: July 18, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Wow man....thats pretty damn low, you could probably jack that up and still make money! To give you an idea, here in Alaska I charge...

Deck $55
1/2 Channel amp $55
4Channel $75
Coax install $45
Component install $90
Headrest $100
Visor $125

Troubleshoot.... I charge $125 /hour and yeah I know thats high, but there is a reason for that.




Posted By: whiterob
Date Posted: July 20, 2008 at 2:01 AM
Those look like some real good prices. They are either at or below what I would suspect for those services.

Good luck to you!




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: July 20, 2008 at 11:29 AM
I think you're going to go broke with hourly rates that low unless you do not have to pay rent or salaries...

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Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: July 20, 2008 at 9:42 PM
Low...... start basing on an at least $75/hr shop rate.

Seriously.

Deck should be at least $55 + parts
Starter should be at least $135, plus extra for locks, bypass, trunk
Alarm, same thing
Video.... We do overheads at $250. Indash is $150. Headrests are $100 per.

Add a 5% shop fee for misc stuff..... like tape, screws, etc. Note, that is a percent of the labor. More labor, chances there are more supplies being used.

Get paid what you are worth. Money buys respect nowdays. Don't sell yourself short to be competitive, rather sell yourself as no comparison to the competition. Sell yourself as though there is no other shop, because you are the best one in town.

If the dealerships can justify $100/hr and upwards, and many other trades are over $65/hr, there is no reason why a skilled trade such as this is no different. Fine line between greed and proper pricing, but, one must also follow suit with current trends.

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Posted By: abob89
Date Posted: July 20, 2008 at 11:55 PM
Most of the shops I've seen in Washington charge about 75 an hour as well.

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Posted By: ceasar326
Date Posted: July 21, 2008 at 6:17 PM
wow I'm like giving my labor away. How much you guys charge for 2 and 4 window roll up? I've been charging $50 for 2 windows.




Posted By: overworked
Date Posted: July 21, 2008 at 7:37 PM
250 a pair.




Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: July 23, 2008 at 1:24 AM
overworked wrote:

250 a pair.


Plus parts, plus shop supplies.

Hey, this isn't a hobby folks, this is BUSINESS. Surprise! You want cheap, take it to your buddy with some tools. You want it done right, buck up, be professional, you are offering a professional service and skillset, then make sure you are compensated properly for it. That new big toolbox and table saw didn't show up magically for free. It gets paid for with a lot of hard work in a not so easy field.

Can you tell I am rather tired of DIY/hack shop prices and mentality yet????

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Posted By: overworked
Date Posted: July 23, 2008 at 12:57 PM
^^^^^ Pretty much what he said sums up my feelings.




Posted By: ceasar326
Date Posted: July 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM
How is that possible with out scarring the customer?




Posted By: overworked
Date Posted: July 23, 2008 at 1:09 PM
Easy, you need to believe in your prices and the work that you do. When I charge someone $55 for labour, $30 for the kit and $20 for a harness if one was used, I know that my price is fair both sides. Anyone can give a buddy $20 for putting in a deck....but is he going to back it up with a lifetime warranty on workmanship? Or is he just going to shrug his shoulders and blame the unit when it fades left to right and balances front to rear...or doesn't retain it's memory.

Your a professional. Right? Don't sell the farm, earn a living.




Posted By: ceasar326
Date Posted: July 23, 2008 at 6:31 PM
How much would you guys charge let's say if a guy comes in and he got his stereo stolen and the theft cut the stock wire hardness. Would you charge a flat rate or per hour?




Posted By: overworked
Date Posted: July 23, 2008 at 7:54 PM
$100 for a hardwire.




Posted By: overworked
Date Posted: July 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM
gus1] wrote:

overworked wrote:

250 a pair.


Plus parts, plus shop supplies.

Hey, this isn't a hobby folks, this is BUSINESS. Surprise! You want cheap, take it to your buddy with some tools. You want it done right, buck up, be professional, you are offering a professional service and skillset, then make sure you are compensated properly for it. That new big toolbox and table saw didn't show up magically for free. It gets paid for with a lot of hard work in a not so easy field.

Can you tell I am rather tired of DIY/hack shop prices and mentality yet????


Just so people are aware, all the prices I quote are plus parts and supplies. I sometimes have a 10-15% sundries charge to cover that.




Posted By: gus1
Date Posted: July 23, 2008 at 8:14 PM
ceasar326 wrote:

How is that possible with out scarring the customer?


How so? You are providing a specialized skill that they don't have. Do you bitch when you go to the dentist? They aren't cheap. How about a dealership?

It is up to you to sell it as a professional service. This is why you also get to offer a warranty on your work..... and the price should reflect that as well (unless you charge to do warranty work, then the initial price should reflect this). If I am charging you $75/hr, you are getting good work, work with a waranty, and piece of mind that you will be taken care of as a customer. How do you put a price on that?

Hell, even the box stores are raising their rates.

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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: July 23, 2008 at 9:57 PM
My box store shop rate is 60$ an hour. Some of us are worth more and some of us are worth less ;) Either way your rates are definatly WAY to low my friend. And for the record I charge 50 for a deck and 75 for one that needs to be hard wired or have an ipod cable ran at the time of install. If I install the cable at a later date they pay 35$

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Posted By: joezero
Date Posted: August 23, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Keep in mind, your prices/labor rate will determine your clientele. When I briefly did solo work, I did the same thing you did, slashed prices so as not to scare off customers. Two things happened. One, I found that I was working for next to nothing. Jobs that I figured on paper would take an hour took three in real life. That meant that my hourly rate was a third of what I thought I'd be making. Second, my customers were mostly teenagers with just a few bucks and POS cars. I wanted to build custom enclosures and do big installs. The thing is, the people that can genuinely afford that will go to the best shops which charge what they are really worth. Those that have unrealistic expectations will come to you for your low prices because that is all they can afford. They will bring you cheap, unreliable gear to install. They will whine and complain over little things and not hesitate to tell you how expensive you are and how high their expectations are because they are paying you.

Ask yourself a few questions. First, what is your true skill level? Is this something that you have received training and real world job experience in, or is this something you have done as a hobby and others have encouraged you to "do this professionally?" What is your shop setup like? Do you have shop space in a high visibility area? Are you doing this from your home? How much money do you want to make with this? Your customers will treat you like a business with all the expectations and liability that it comes with, how much is that worth to you? Do you/will you have employees? What are their expectations as far as pay, hours worked, etc? Will you carry any inventory? I tried to run my business as installation only, and it was a huge headache. Most shops carry just a few brands that they have experience with. Are you prepared to work with any product from any manufacturer?

I spent about a year spinning my wheels (no pun intended) trying to get a business off the ground to help fund my own projects. In the end, it wasn't worth it. The money was sporadic and the stress of dealing with people who really couldn't afford what they wanted just became to much.

I wish you the best of luck. There are few feelings in the world that compare with the joy of being a successful business owner, especially when you're passionate about what you're doing. Just make sure that you are genuinely charging what you are worth.




Posted By: evileagletalon
Date Posted: September 07, 2008 at 10:45 PM
Those prices are very low. Especially since you have no real competition nearby.

I charge $150 if the customer buys the alarm from me. I don't install alarms that I don't sell. If somebody has their own alarm that they want installed, I don't do it.

I also charge $150 to install amplifiers. Why?
Well for starters, I don't run the power wire through the door boot.




Posted By: megaman
Date Posted: September 08, 2008 at 8:56 AM

If you've got no competition, jack up the prices.  Hands down, you've got the easiest decision.  We have three shops in three completely different markets.  One shop is the sole audio shop in the city.  In this location, we charge $45 to install a deck.  Whether the customer buys the deck at the store or not, we charge $45, plus parts.  The only other place the customers can buy a deck is a wal-fart or rat shack.  In the other two locations we do free deck installs with decks $100 or over, plus parts.  In one location, we have six competitors right around the corner so the competition is fierce.  We charge a little more than most of the shops in this location, but we have the reputation to back the prices. 

So it all boils down to the community and what customers are willing to pay.  Start high, and work yourself down.  With high prices you can always slash and cut down to a reasonable level.  If you're goal is $100 amp installs, start at $120.  Some customers will pay the $120, but the others you can give them a "deal" on it.  You'll make your money and the customer is happy that they got a great deal in your store.

Top down selling.





Posted By: chizzy
Date Posted: September 12, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Here In New Zealand my pricing is as follows and i am the cheapest in town.

Head Unit - $75 ($50 if bought from me)
1/2 Channell Amp - $100
3/4 Channell Amp - $160
Coaxial Speakers - $60 (factory locations)
Components - $100 (Factory locations)
Sub - $30 (mount in box and hook up to amp)
Alarms:
3 Star - $150
4 Star - $200
5 Star - $250
Turbo Timer - $50

Odd Jobs Are charged at $50/hour labour

i'm not sure is you use star ratings on alarms in US or UK?



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Posted By: ceasar326
Date Posted: December 19, 2008 at 5:14 PM
How much will ppl charge for troubleshooting if it only takes u less then 10min to know what the problem was. Just today i got a guy that was asking to check his amp cuz he had wired it and was working fine until all the sudden amp dont turn on. Installers that kn ow whats going on right away we think will bad ground, blown fuse or no 12v to remote. I when in there with my DMM and check to find out that, there was no power from the remote. All the rest was fine, Grabed a piece of wire and showed him his amp still being good charged him $10 dollars. All that was less then 10min. Is that a good price for a quick check up.




Posted By: joch1314
Date Posted: December 19, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Ten bucks isn't too bad considering the time, but try looking at it in a different context.  Why did it take you only ten minutes to find the problem, and how long would it have taken them to find it?  Yes, they are paying for your time but they are also paying for your expertise.  It's because of your knowledge that it didn't take long to find the problem, that and you have the right tools.  Some jobs will take longer than others, but your still doing the same job.  Take a deck in a 02 F-150 and compare it to a deck in a toyota p/u where you have to take the entire dash apart.  It's the same job, but will you charge the customer in the F-150 less because its an easier job?  I would hope not.  In other words, they're not only paying you for your time, but for your expertise and your tools...that being said, is ten bucks still worth it?  Don't sell yourself, or your knowledge short. 

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Posted By: CutDog504
Date Posted: December 27, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Quit whoring your labor, man! 10 minutes, or 59 minutes, you should charge a one hour minimum!! Every good shop does it that way. You may also want to make some rules about what you wil and will not install. Myself, I refuse to install used equipment unless I removed it from the previous vehicle myself. Too many times I've install used and/or stolen equipment only to have it act up and the customer blame me claiming "It worked fine in my buddy's car". I also refuse to install cheap no name flea market and pawn shop crap (like pyramid). Too often I've spent hours doing an install only to have the cheap equipment screaming with engine noise. And as for alarms, I absolutely will not install it if you didnt buy it from me. End of story. I'm not even gonna waste my time trying to install some Cheng Shin 2 way pager with remote start that he bought off ebay for 39 bucks. I've been there already, I wont make those mistakes again. Would you step right back in the dogdoodie after you just wiped the dogdoodie off your shoe? I think not.




Posted By: whoamioitsme
Date Posted: January 03, 2009 at 8:39 AM

I would say yes your prices are Cheep and from a customer stand point thats great posted_image if you are just starting the new busness this might be a good way to go but rember to work your prices up to around standard posted_image

After all you can't eat working for nothing

asfar as quick looks at things that is a tricky market Yes you should be human about things and willing to work with your customers But you can't stop working on paying jobs to take care of stop in guy Now if stop in guy buys all his stuff from you then i think yes you take 10 min to explain things to him and help him out if you do have to take a physical look at something for them well i would think he can hand you a $20 in return

Customer relations and word of mouth is what can make or brake a busness

Make them happy while takeing care of your pocket book posted_image

But that is just my 2cents





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: February 09, 2009 at 5:48 PM
Had to butt in here;  by UK standards, and don't forget the following; equivalent alarms when the exchange rate was £1 = $2 were costing me DOUBLE plus the Weller Gun and cordless irons and snap-on tools all double. Scotch 33+ costs me about $6 per reel. If I go to to install a Cat 1 alarm, what our NZ friend calls a 3 star, with immobiliser cuts to starter and ignition,  battery back-up siren and metal cased control box that has to be either screwed in or cable tied securely and hidden,  I'm looking at  11am to 5pm especially when like today on a 97 E36 when the customer sort of forgot that he had another nasty alarm already in there and I trusted no connections once I saw the scotchlocks. I'm looking at £100 ($130) minimum plus can I get some more for removing the old?  The point is I usually get the deal even though I'm more expensive than the local firms because when the customers asks questions , I usually know the answers, and will tell that customer subject to the car being OK exactly what the alarm and RS will do. I also agree with the high price on the window closers, nearly all of the Japanese now use data,  you have to go to each motor, time is the cost factor here.





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