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Topic: Speed relay?

Posted By: Sulsa
Subject: Speed relay?
Date Posted: June 09, 2003 at 1:07 PM

Is there a way to have a relay open or close when you reach a certain speed? i.e. when you get to 30 mph, have a device turn on.

Thanks,
Aaron



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Posted By: Okoboji
Date Posted: June 11, 2003 at 7:09 PM
yes there is but it would take a master car electicion to install




Posted By: xetmes
Date Posted: June 11, 2003 at 7:11 PM
maybe you could use the vss output? i have no idea... just an idea




Posted By: MielGibson
Date Posted: June 12, 2003 at 10:01 AM
Look for a device called a shif light.




Posted By: xetmes
Date Posted: June 12, 2003 at 2:39 PM
but wouldnt the shift light only tell you RPMs and not overall speed?




Posted By: Big Purds
Date Posted: June 13, 2003 at 3:38 AM
you could use the shift light to activate the relay when you hit a certain RPM, but speed would be very hard to pull off...what exactly were you thinking of trying to activate at a certain speed?




Posted By: Sulsa
Date Posted: June 13, 2003 at 4:49 AM
I was thinking of installing an electronic deer horn. I personally am a little skeptical as to if they work or not, however they pay up to $500 towards your deductible if you hit a deer (I happen to live in the boonies and I do a lot of driving). The hang up is that they supposedly make a little noise and at low speeds, and it may be audible to others. The manufacture recommends installing a switch to turn on when you need it. I thought it might be slick to have it turn on automatically when the car reached about 35mph. The install would be on a ’99 Stratus and a ’95 S-10 Blazer (both automatic). Someone recommended that I connect to the overdrive signal, however I am not sure of the implications and the difficulty of this since I have not looked at the schematics yet.

Thanks for your help,
Aaron




Posted By: LittleBill
Date Posted: June 16, 2003 at 8:10 PM
how about the magnetic pickup used in cruise control? i have no idea how voltage they generate? someone that knows cruise would know better, maybe it would generate enough voltage to make it work




Posted By: n4hmr
Date Posted: June 21, 2003 at 2:03 PM

If the vehicles have an overdrive (and a signal from such being engaged), then this is likely the easiest way to pick up a trigger signal. 

When the signal becomes 'active', it can be used to turn on a solid state relay (directly or indirectly) which then applies 12VDC power to your apparatus.  Although the amount of current required to turn on a solid state device is generally quite minimal, some concern should be given to what the signal is driving upstream, unless it is just a light - then no problem.  It sounds like you may have already had some thoughts in this direction.

The first thing you would need to determine is what the 'active' state of the signal is when the OD switch closes - it will apply either a ground or +12VDC to the signal line.  That would determine which type of solid state device you should use - meaning a 'NPN' or 'PNP' gate arrangement to turn the SS device on.

If the OD switch applies a 'ground' (would be my guess), then a "PNP' type of gate is in order.  When a negative signal (i.e. ground) relative to the collector is applied to the base (collector has a constant '+' voltage at some level), the device turns on & applies power to the equipment.

If the switch happens to complete a circuit to +12VDC, the same scenario applies except you would use a 'NPN' gate arrangement on the input.

A few comments ... 

1. Unless you choose a device that is designed to accept a +12 to +15VDC input signal state, you'll need to wire a resistor in series with the base to protect it from an overvoltage condition.  Standard TTL logic devices typically have a 0V (ground) to +4VDC operating range.

2. If you have someone collaborate on a design, make it so the unit will accept either a ground or +12VDC signal input.  That way if you change vehicles, and they did it 'the other way', then you're covered.  Just move the connection point.

3. If you want to get a step fancier with the setup, do the design such that there is a 'holdover' period of some duration before the power to the equipment is removed.  If you catch passing gear or the transmission upshifts for a while, then the OD signal likely will be temporarily removed.

This could be done with a simple circuit using an potentiometer (variable resistor) and a capacitor with the right IC to provide an adjustable holdover period (555 timer, etc).

Radio Shack may have something already canned that could be used as is, or with a little modification.

4. Wire a control switch in so you can shut it off it you need to.

Trying to use a signal off the magnetic pickup for the cruise control would be considerably more involved, not to mention a bit risky.  Not only are the pulses generated by the MPU of a much lower current and voltage, you'd then have to have comparator circuits to determine when to activate the equipment - reinvent the wheel.

About the only other alternative I can think of is to get a 'Dear' sensor like I have.  She'll warn me about everything from a frog in the road to airplanes landing in a 10-mile radius.  "Yes, Dear.  I see it, Dear."  Phbbbbbbbbt!

Kinda reminds me of an old '67 Ford Fairlane I owned that didn't have an Intermittent function on the windshield wiper.  So, I just cut into the horn wire and added a single pole, double-throw switch with a couple of diodes, and tied the horn button to the wiper motor when it was raining.  Tap the horn, get a wipe.

Told Sweet Thing about that switch 50 times, I know.  Came home one day and she started raisin' Holy H... about that "Stupid" car of mine that makes the wipers jump every time you try to blow the horn!  And handed me the broken off horn ring to prove her point.  Ah, well.  Thank God for modern conveniences.posted_image



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Fred




Posted By: chuck_tempe
Date Posted: June 24, 2003 at 12:09 AM

they do make deer whistles that work with the wind you know.

they look like a little hollow tube that just sticks on to your front bumper.

the tube creates an ultransonic sound that we cannot hear.

check into a sports/hunting supply shop.





Posted By: Sulsa
Date Posted: June 24, 2003 at 5:43 PM
The whistles won't pay the $500 insurance deductable if you hit a deer though..




Posted By: Big Purds
Date Posted: June 25, 2003 at 2:03 AM
if the company offering to cover the deductible were to find out they were installed in this manner they would probably not cover it either...too much room for user error and unless you are MECP certified you would probably not be recognized as someone with the knowledge to put this together...




Posted By: chuck_tempe
Date Posted: June 30, 2003 at 7:39 PM

interesting comments on the insurance deductible...

go easy on the MECP comments.  i was MECP certified when the program first started out years ago.  (i also had one of the highest scores within our stores, which i won't name.)

just because someone is not MECP certified doesn't mean the person is not capable of doing great installs.  i've also known people who i wouldn't trust to change fuses in my own car THAT WERE MECP certified.

12 years in the install bay introduces you to alot of installers.  some of those guys and one gal who could do circles around me, were GREAT installers but could care less about a test or certification.

MECP is a test of knowledge, that doesn't mean you know how to apply it!

remember, some people have common sense, some people are book smart.  you have to have BOTH to be a good installer.



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ex 12 year car stereo, alarm techie.

now in res/com low voltage,voice/data

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Posted By: Big Purds
Date Posted: July 01, 2003 at 9:13 PM
I am not saying being certified is the be all and end all...what I am saying is that without some form of recognized certification, the insurance company may not be willing to pay out on the claim...whether or not it was working properly...




Posted By: chuck_tempe
Date Posted: July 02, 2003 at 11:28 PM

i understand what you are saying...as far as the insurance company not paying the claim,  that seems to be another excuse not to pay a claim if they use that line.

then again, always read the fine print when it comes to any kind of 'warranties'.



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ex 12 year car stereo, alarm techie.

now in res/com low voltage,voice/data

donate HERE





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