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Which 2 Way Systems / LCD Systems?

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Topic: Which 2 Way Systems / LCD Systems?

Posted By: Velocity Motors
Subject: Which 2 Way Systems / LCD Systems?
Date Posted: February 16, 2004 at 10:33 AM

There have been alot of threads started in the past couple of months in regards to LCD or 2 way alarm, remote start and combo units. Please take this opportunity to vote on the system that you have had the best performance, reliability, installation time as well as other pro's and con's and list them in your response so that other member's can see what is available out on the market. Thanks and Shiver Git !!! }:) 

BTW: This IS NOT a thread for anyone to start bashing other companies. If you had bad luck with one certain company please do not use this thread to vent your frustrations. ONLY the systems you would suggest to other member's are to be posted with pro's and con's on that system .



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA



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Posted By: Teamrf
Date Posted: February 17, 2004 at 12:31 AM
The new DEI products are an installers dream with limited amout of relays (they magically put all the remote start relays into this little box). And the programming is very understandable.

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~The Rookie~
Rookie of the year that is...
Don't let the smoke out of your equiptment..it doesn't go back in.




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: February 17, 2004 at 11:48 AM
I've been hearing some conflicting information in regards to the NEW DEI units for 2004 with range problems and also failed units out of the box ?

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: bd3521
Date Posted: February 17, 2004 at 1:31 PM
Is the viper 790 a new 2004 model with issues or is it solid older model?




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: February 17, 2004 at 1:39 PM
790 is last years while the 791XV is this year's.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: February 17, 2004 at 8:12 PM
i agree with jeff, dei's ranges are pretty lousy.

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Houston,TX
"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).




Posted By: bd3521
Date Posted: February 18, 2004 at 9:07 PM

DEI looks like its pulling away in the polls





Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: February 18, 2004 at 10:08 PM
very easy to install and mainly its all about the name

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Houston,TX
"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).




Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: February 19, 2004 at 11:45 AM
i've been selling the DEI 2 ways since they were made and havent had one yet with range issues or problems... i'd recommend them to anyone... i do prefer the true Responder units to the AM 2way units by  Hornet/Valet/Avital  BTW

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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer

Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979




Posted By: BByinstaller
Date Posted: February 19, 2004 at 11:46 PM
I install DEI everyday i work and dont really have any probs. the ONLY REAL prob is the 4200s have faulty antennas. They come with an HFplus antenna and they RARELY work more than 50 feet. sometimes even less. So we stocked up on the XHF antennas and they never come back with range issues. Alot of installers have programming issues as well, i have not had any probs at all. especially using the bitwriter. The new relay packs are great, but sketchy at the same time, i have yet to have one fail. The new RSX 3.5 remotes seem to be much more reliable than the older RS3 remotes. So all in all im in huge favor of DEI as there really isnt too many probs. The only other brand we install is Black Widow ....................nuff said there




Posted By: slugless7
Date Posted: February 20, 2004 at 1:40 AM
I am a DEI fan, Where i work the options are limited seeing as how we just dropped Black Widow's 7150 and that leaves us with the RSX 3.5 and the 2.5 Cliffords but i've seen commandos, crime stoppers and one phoenix digatal. and after that lineup i would have to stick to DEI hands down.




Posted By: fbird08
Date Posted: February 23, 2004 at 10:23 AM

I myself would have to go with the audiovox 996C. I had previously installed a DEI 790 in my 95 Formua and the range on the thing was terrible. I thought maybe I had a def unit or a bad antenna or maybe a bad ground (that believe it or not does effect range) so i swapped everything out, wires and everything, for a new one but I still had terrible range. My shop also stocks audiovox alarms so i switched to the 996C just to see how that one was. The 996C was by far the best one I've ever used. The range was at least a good 200-300 feet longer than the 790 and had a lot more/better features. The 996C has a little bigger brain than the 790 but doesnt have the seprate relay bank for the RS, all the relays are contained in the brain so you dont have to find two places to put the components. The shock sensor has little tabs on it so you actually have something to zip-tie or screw the shock sensor down with as with the 790 the shock sensor is just a little plastic bubble that is hard to keep a zip-tie from sliding off of. The 996C has a built in thermometor(sp) this way by hitting a button on the remote the temp inside your car will be displayed on the remote of the 996C in deg. C or deg F your choice, the 790 does not have this feature. Another advantage is that you can set the 996C to start the car if it drops below a certain temp. and run for a preset time to keep the fluids from freezing in extreme cold. The antenna for the 790 looks something that belongs on the top of a tv to pick up sations from mars but the antenna on the 996c is smaller than most regualr antennas. Its about the size of a remote with a little nub sticking out of it total of about 2" long where the 790 antenna is about a foot long. You can page the remote from your car with the 996C by pushing the program button I havent checked but i dont believe this is an option with the 790 (convient when you lose your keys). Most of all beyond all the better options and functions the remote for the 996C looks sooooooooooooooo much nicer than that on the 790. The 996C remote is all silver with a little black antenna on it  with either a green or orange back lit display  (not an option on one remote just you can get a remote with either color). It looks like a mini cell phone and is a good convo starter when people ask if its a cell (happens alot). The remote for the 790 is very boxy and the color isnt the most appealing.

I'm not trying to put down the 790 its a good alarm/rs but the 996C by audiovox is just all around better. The only complaint about the audiovox is the programming. You cannot use a bitwriter on it (obviously, its not a DEI product) and the menus are not the simplest things to navigate through. If you have the manual in front of you that shows you how do do the programing it is relatively easy but not something you can memorize like with the 790. So all in all the only thing that the 790 has over the 996C is programing which you have to do once.

Hope this helps with your purchase decision.



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Money is just paper
Power is fleeting
But your word is everything,
If your word means nothing,
You are nothing...think about it




Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: February 23, 2004 at 11:36 AM
I would definatly go with the DEI piece just because of the reliability factor involved. I have only ever had one defective DEI unit in the last couple years and I have been putting in probally 4 starters a day 6days a week for the last 3 1/2 months without a problem. So Im not saying they are foolproof but they are definatly the most reliable stuff I have come accross. And Range definatly can affect ground so make sure you have a resistance value of less than 7% if you put it in yourself.




Posted By: fbird08
Date Posted: February 26, 2004 at 12:23 PM

I also have been doing the same (about 4 starters a day  for the last 4 months) and i do agree with ravendarat that DEI does make a great remote starter. The 369D is the one my shop sells the most of and it really hasnt given me any problems at all but the question in hand is the 2-way paging systems. In my experience, reliability wise both the audiovox and DEI 2-way paging systems rarely give me any problems what so ever. If there is any question about the reliablity of the audiovox though it does come with a full lifetime warranty.  



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Money is just paper
Power is fleeting
But your word is everything,
If your word means nothing,
You are nothing...think about it




Posted By: Dauber
Date Posted: February 27, 2004 at 6:45 PM
Don't know if you guys heard much of this system, well I guess not because I haven't seen anybody write about it, is compustar paging systems, I installed quite a bit and haven't heard anything but good things about the systems.  Can't be that bad when you install it in some of your friends vehicles because usually if there is something wrong with it you'll hear about it right away!  Thats what friends are for!

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Kyle@Audio Obsession Sound




Posted By: draco1462
Date Posted: March 24, 2004 at 11:41 AM
anyone have first hand experience with a valet 554R?, I was just taken by the local store of a chain, I asked for a  2-way paging lcd remote start alarm system and refered to the g5 system, and got charged $375 on my card to order a sytem, 3 days later I get the 554R system with only 1 lcd remote and I find it on the net for $199 , must have been a used car salesman to my rube




Posted By: elpuma817
Date Posted: April 04, 2004 at 6:37 PM
LOVE the new DEI relay module...great when you're trying to find places for everything... especially in cars with limited space...when installed correctly, I have rarely ever had a range problem with the xhf antennas, people normally rave about them... the Black Widow 7150 on the other hand...




Posted By: fbird08
Date Posted: April 04, 2004 at 10:16 PM

Definately have to agree with elpuma817, the new DEI relay module is great. Less than half the size of the original relay bank and has the starter kill relay built right it.....very cool.



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Money is just paper
Power is fleeting
But your word is everything,
If your word means nothing,
You are nothing...think about it




Posted By: draco1462
Date Posted: April 05, 2004 at 1:52 AM

my second look opinon of the 554r has improved, the system is loaded with options to fit almost any need/vehicle you may have, but your gonna need more relays, and take my advice and let the dealer install it cause I did not have an electrical schematic for my car(my error), 2 days later and everything is installed except the door trigger circuit that after going thru EVERY wire at the drivers kick panel while opening and closing the switch (I've only had the car a month so I am not familiar with it yet, and no its not the black w/lt. blue trace wire!) and the remote sttart needs another relay to simulate pressing the brake pedal to engage the starter, I asked dei NICELY for help/ access to info at their techs only site but being a paying customer with an applied science in automotive technology and 20+yrs expierience as a service tech/installer was not good enough, (a**holes) not even the offer of a non-disclosure agreement was refused, makes me wonder what they dont want anyone knowing like the fact that dei has bought out most brands of car alarms coming close to a monopoly of the industry the fall of customer service and competition gets us the kind of "help" one can expect from "Im the only source so take it or leave it" companies,   the alarm is great, the company sucks $&@!





Posted By: draco1462
Date Posted: April 05, 2004 at 1:55 AM

my second look opinon of the 554r has improved, the system is loaded with options to fit almost any need/vehicle you may have, but your gonna need more relays, and take my advice and let the dealer install it cause I did not have an electrical schematic for my car(my error), 2 days later and everything is installed except the door trigger circuit that after going thru EVERY wire at the drivers kick panel while opening and closing the switch (I've only had the car a month so I am not familiar with it yet, and no its not the black w/lt. blue trace wire!) and the remote sttart needs another relay to simulate pressing the brake pedal to engage the starter, I asked dei NICELY for help/ access to info at their techs only site but being a paying customer with an applied science in automotive technology and 20+yrs expierience as a service tech/installer was not good enough, (a**holes) not even the offer of a non-disclosure agreement was refused, makes me wonder what they dont want anyone knowing like the fact that dei has bought out most brands of car alarms coming close to a monopoly of the industry the fall of customer service and competition gets us the kind of "help" one can expect from "Im the only source so take it or leave it" companies,   the alarm is great, the company sucks $&@!.

PS the remote relay bank uses too small a gauge wiring to power the starter for long let alone the heater& defroster even the wires from my key switch are larger so be careful unless you like red lights and lotsa water and walking






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