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Topic: Installers Best Friend

Posted By: iworkatzips
Subject: Installers Best Friend
Date Posted: August 11, 2002 at 11:19 PM

One of the best things an installer can purchase is a digital multimeter, (test lights are not an acceptable substitute). From reading many of these posts, it sounds like digital multimeters (DMM's) are not being used. From one installer to another, this is about the smartest tool you could ever buy. There are even affordable DMM's at sears for under 30 bucks. So instead of guessing what wires to use, you will know which wire is the right one. This will not only save your vehicle, but it will save you headaches and costly repair bills. Everyone agree???

-Brent (Lead Installer at Generation Sound)




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Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: August 12, 2002 at 6:42 AM

I can now finally agree with that.  I had installed 3 remote starters, but had been using the test light that came with it.  Everything worked fine, so I figured it was ok to use.  Then I got to a Ford Taurus, thought the test light was enough, but it misled me and I made mistakes.  I was supposed to find the wires that showed 12v+, of which I "found" 4 of them using the test light, but my install was not working.  It turned out (once I used the DMM), that one of those wires was only showing 100mV, not 12v+.  So this is a case where the test light would just show positive, but not the correct amount.  I was able to hook up to the 3 wires, and everything worked correctly :)





Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 12, 2002 at 7:33 AM

I have to agree with Brent as well and add to what he mentioned......... you can not properly install ANY electronic equipment properly without the right tools for the job. Here is a list of tools taht I can not live without ( or at least can not perform an installation in a reasonable amount of time without these tools ):

  • Cordless butane solder iron
  • automatic wire strippers
  • small side cutter
  • hand held cordless drill
  • angle driver
  • electrical tape posted_image
  • upholstery pry bar
  • DMM
  • light tester ( back up if DMM ever looses power )


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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: GlassWolf
Date Posted: August 12, 2002 at 11:26 AM
my best friend was this really hot redhead.. but that's another story.. damn I had the worst crush on her for years hahahaha
okay anyway I totally agree, but then being an electrical engineer as well, I'm already partial to good equipment (scope, meters, etc)
I have a 20MHz oscilloscope on the workbenchand currently use radio shack's top of the line DMM (with the PC interface) and have been looking at the Fluke meters as well, though they don't offer much over the model I have now for the time being so its not a priority.
I agree with you. a DMM is a priceless piece of equipment to have handy.
What I'd really like is one that has an Indiglo backlit display, with large characters heh
great for under dash work


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-GlassWolf
Pioneer Stage-4, Orion, DynAudio, Fi




Posted By: sparkyssb
Date Posted: August 12, 2002 at 12:53 PM
i got a really nice DMM from Radio Shack too....yeah....radio shack isn't the best store to buy expensive electronic components from but that 100 dollars for the meter was a great investment....and I don't come close to doing the install work like you guys do! posted_image




Posted By: alitaki
Date Posted: August 13, 2002 at 1:29 PM
A DMM is an essential tool for the installer as is a test light. Each tool has its useful purpose. One thing that I would like to elaborate for anyone that uses a test light or plans on purchasing a test light is to make sure that it has the computer safe circuit built in. This feature only costs a couple dollars more and could save you thousands if you probe a sensitive computer circuit with a cheap test light which is just shy of a short circuit.

Nikos




Posted By: crroush
Date Posted: August 13, 2002 at 1:38 PM

I am not a "rat shack fan" I perfer FLUKE myself :) but it tends to be a bit more pricey!

Craig





Posted By: Johnnylaw
Date Posted: August 13, 2002 at 1:41 PM

  One thing to add to what Nokos said...

  The biggest plus to getting a test light with ground fault protection circuitry is that you won't have to worry about setting the AIRBAG off!!!  Although I have never been able to find a "cheap"  test light like this, the price range I have seen is $60 to $120, personally I think thats steep price to pay for a test light, but replacing an airbag would cost quite a bit more.



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Posted By: dan768
Date Posted: August 14, 2002 at 11:02 PM
Hello i use the evil "probe" this is a computer safe/air bag safe tester.I know that some of you abhor the fact that I use it,but I have been using it for over three years every day.I have never had a problem with it on any alarm install to date.So I say go ahead use a tester, but remember get the MATCO air bag safe/computer safe one.Incandesent ones SUCK!posted_image

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dan
Remember (there are no hard cars,some just take longer to install on then others)




Posted By: DeathsJester12V
Date Posted: August 14, 2002 at 11:26 PM

Yup I use the same thing Dan does.....but mines from Mac....only problem is....when you get to multiplexed circuits...need the DMM...So I keep both in my tool box!!!

However, I thought the installers best friend was BONDO!!!!  hehehehehehe  Either that or the Pizza Delivery driver...and for those hard to do installs on your own time ( a.k.a. "side jobs") a six pack of budweiser!!  yes I'm a drunk.....but the flashes of electricity is so funny when you're lit!!  I'm just kidding about drinking and installing, they don't mix!!!  period point blank end of discussion!!!



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Posted By: wlg83
Date Posted: August 16, 2002 at 1:06 AM

Ok, my resources are Radio Shack, Sears, Menards and Home Depot. Out of these stores, what brand name, and model number DMM would you reccomend getting, and as inexpensive as possible... not cheap or unreliable. I am just starting out with this businessm and I am a little short. Also, I haven't seen (or looked for) a computer safe test light. Price range?

Thanks guys





Posted By: markb
Date Posted: August 16, 2002 at 1:27 PM

I use an IDEAL Test-Pro 61-360. It's not a very expensive unit, and works great. Big bold display. VERY rugged. It's been seriously abused for three years  and still works perfect. It's got this rubber shell that protects it. I think it may have cost me about 60$ or so. worth every penny. Use it every day. I think Home Depot might carry IDEAL. Not sure.  However, if you live in a city with all those stores, there is probably more than one electrical supply houses. Almost all of these guys carry Klien and IDEAL tools. I'd check in the yellow pages and make some calls.  Tool shopping kicks ass.



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Posted By: wlg83
Date Posted: August 18, 2002 at 2:47 PM
Thanks Mark. I went to Auto Zone just a few mins ago for some panel clips and asked. They told me about a local shop that I had totally overlooked, I am probably going to go on wednesday. Sears had a few miltimeters that I looked at, but none of the "airbag-safe" test lights..... thinking further, I doubt I will ever need the feature anyways. Even if I didn't buy any tools, I agree with Mark... tool shopping kicks ass!




Posted By: DeathsJester12V
Date Posted: August 18, 2002 at 7:11 PM

hey, wlg83.....

About the only people I know of that carry air-bag safe test lights are teh big names...Mac, Matco and Snap-On.......reason is well they're also at the mechanics shops....

However, you could possibly try NAPA.....they might either have on or be able to order one....I'm not sure, but hey it's worth a shot....

As far as multimeters...I got my first on at Lowe's...I think it was called Sperry,, but don't hold it to me...It was about $50...I know the shop has a cheap DMM by GB...it works fairly well and it was about $30.....it's effective, but sometimes, it takes awhile to get the readings you want...summed up, the readigns bounce for about a minute before the set in sometimes...It's good for finding 12V sources and resistance, etc....but it can be a pain in the a$$.....

Just get a DMM that lets you do the basic functions, and with your first check...get a Fluke or equivalent!!

Hope that helped



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Posted By: alitaki
Date Posted: August 19, 2002 at 3:57 PM
Okay, here's some info on the above mentioned test light:

Company Name: Tessco (www.tessco.com)
Item Name: Computer Safe Circuit and Polarity Tester
Description: Computer safe, will not damage sensitive electronic components. Draws less than 21mA. Red glow indicates (+) polarity. Green indicates (-).
Item #: 13341
Price: $8.18 US

NIkos





Posted By: par3721
Date Posted: August 23, 2002 at 2:56 AM
love my DMM.i have a bluepoint and can not do anything without it.posted_image




Posted By: Ghettolt1
Date Posted: August 24, 2002 at 9:03 PM
i cannot function without flush cutters

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Cicuit City 12V

1994 Camaro
1999 CBR F4




Posted By: bradleonard
Date Posted: September 17, 2002 at 10:31 PM
as stated above, Rat Shack is not the place to buy such a device, if you need a cheap DMM go to Sears. If you want a meter that is going to last, buy a fluke. If money is an issue for the Fluke meters, I believe Home Depot carries the Fluke 10 for around $60-70 which is a really good deal.

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Posted By: alitaki
Date Posted: September 21, 2002 at 11:08 AM
I don't see why people are knocking on Rat Shack DMMs. I've had a radio shack that lasted about 8 years while a few of my buddies with flukes kept having problems. That's not to mention that my Rat Shack DMM was put through a great deal of torture.

Eventually, it died due to getting flooded w/ water.

Nikos





Posted By: djfearny2
Date Posted: September 23, 2002 at 4:11 PM

my post a dmm is the best but as a 8 year installer of 12 volt car audio systems i use two things a cheep five dollar resited test light only works one way possitive negative its actually a alternator tester from radio shack and works fine over five years of testign with it and does not set off air bags while testing door locks and stuff. it tells me from 11 volts dc to 15 volts dc and will a tach the fifteen volt light flashes so it works perfect and requires no batteries and is the cheepest thing 5-10 bucks at radio shack.





Posted By: DeathsJester12V
Date Posted: September 24, 2002 at 9:32 PM

No an installers best friends, in my opinion are as follows:

1) Bondo

2) DEI Techsoft ( or equal wiring diagram program )

3) The Dealerships you have befriended that will gratefully give you the dead on wiring codes ( keeps them from having to repair an inexperienced installers mistakes )

4) DMM

5) The Pizza Delivery guy

6) the nearby conveince store that keeps Red Bull, Amp, Pepsi and Coke products in-stock for those late night installs.

7) and all the other installers in your bay..cause without them...it would take some of those installs longer....and you might be missing a tool they got....

This was the results of a survey I did at the shop I work at.....and I must say..I agree...



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