Visual Deterrent enough?
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Topic: Visual Deterrent enough?
Posted By: /R7
Subject: Visual Deterrent enough?
Date Posted: November 24, 2004 at 12:59 PM
i checked a link from the asianwolf thread, and the site, asianwolf sells a LED Scanner
https://www.asianwolf.com/item.jhtml?UCIDs=1068694%7C1218566&PRID=1263211
Which is supposed to be a fairly good visual deterrent. i want a security system for my car, but right now i cant afford what i want to put in it.
i know its not going to offer anything other than some flashy lights, but in the mind of a theif will something like this deter the assailant?
i live in a small town, and i know there are some car theifs in town here, i dont know how 'pro' these guys think they are, but i know at least a couple of the vehicles they've 'apperently' stolen had nothing for security. do you think its worth it? it will be only temperary until i get enough funds to purchase what i want.
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Posted By: sparkie
Date Posted: November 24, 2004 at 7:42 PM
You only get what you pay for. You might be better off just installing a 12 volt flashing LED. It would more closely resembe an alarm LED and possibly fool a thief. If they test the car to see if it is an alarm, they may realise it's a fake. Let common sense prevail. Don't install anything into the car until you have an alarm to protect it.
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sparky
Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 1:20 PM
too late for that lol. maybe my next vehicle, but when i got my current one, it wasnt fully mine, so i had to twist some arms to get them to allow me to stick a deck in there.
but you are right about the common sense. but im not about to rip out a payed for installation and have to wait till i get an alarm system. as anyone with a system and no alarm, i'll have to take my chances.
thanks for the insight though, another perspective helped.
Posted By: sparkie
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 6:48 PM
You can also try and get your hands on some window stickers indicating an alarm is installed in vehicle. A lot of manufacturers supply them with alarm systems. See if a local stereo shop has any extras they can give you. Just remember them when it comes time to buy something.
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sparky
Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: November 25, 2004 at 8:32 PM
People don't even pay attention to alarms any more. How many alarms go off and you or I or anyone else don't even look? You need the car to be undrivible, not just make noise. "clubs" don't work, you can cut thru a stering wheel in seconds. bolt cutters work even faster. A kill switch and a brake peddle lock is the best way. And a alarm can detter a crook, but a "pro" can deal with a alarm as fast as he can steel your ride. Don't sweat it too much because if a "pro" really wants your ride there is nothing you can do. He could back up to it with a rollback or repo rig and be gone before you can say, Man someone jacked my %$#%&*!%$%^& car. Good luck with your project.
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Big Dave
Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 8:13 AM
Thanks speedway, but i dont think too many of the kids around here would be that 'pro', but i know what your saying and thats why i dont even know if i aughta get an alarm. but im not in the city for more than a few hours every few weeks, so the potential is low for it happening there.
but i appreciate the comment :-)
Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 9:02 PM
Just to let you know, I'm working on a theft deterrent that is comprised of a very realistic hologram of a frothy-faced Doberman complete with growling sound effects. "Dobie" can detect what side of the car the perp is on and will always face that direction (actually he can face all directions at once but the punks don't know that!). The hologram beast bounces visciously around the car's interior, slathering on the windows, and scares the would-be thiefs into the night. I'll let you know when it's ready. ;)
Posted By: greermodela
Date Posted: November 26, 2004 at 9:19 PM
r7 hide a switch to close a starter interupt relay. cost efective theft deterent.
Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: November 27, 2004 at 3:00 AM
i'll take 5 stevdart, chances are i'll need one for everycar i have when its ready (and i wont be owning 5 anytime soon -_-)
thanks for the idea though i think i'll stick my cat in my car.
Posted By: Xracerx
Date Posted: November 28, 2004 at 6:16 PM
I just hooked up a CS grenade to the doors pointed at the doors. You open the doors your hash and blind!
Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 10:20 PM
can of mace in the dash...they pull the HU...bam car fills with mace. Though...it'd really suck if it went off on you.lol ------------- I need quality equipment, feel free to donate.
Posted By: Xracerx
Date Posted: December 01, 2004 at 10:55 PM
I did have a flash bang but my friend opened the door before I unhooked it. He could not hear for a hour. He now ask before he opens it.
Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: December 02, 2004 at 12:06 AM
I now you guys are kidding, but remember you are legally responceable for any "booby traps" If someone is hurt or killed, even when they are trying to steel your ride. You can be charged with assalt or worse. be careful.
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Big Dave
Posted By: Xracerx
Date Posted: December 02, 2004 at 8:08 AM
Actually in Texas if you are in the commsion of a felon, You can kill them to protect your property. They can even be running away or not even pull a weapon. Night or Day it makes no Differance.
Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: December 02, 2004 at 10:45 PM
Im movin to texas....plus is hella lot warmer
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Posted By: rsudbay
Date Posted: December 02, 2004 at 10:56 PM
yeah man, i'm young and no a couple of people that steal radios and pawn them for money. and they biggest thing they tell me are these 3 rules to stealing systems. 1. never bust in a car that the faceplate is not on. so if the plate is off, your good 2. allways try to jack cars in back corners of parkinglots. so park up the middle by people 3. The #1 rule to jacking systems, If there is any kind of led light flashing, walk away. his pylosophy was that anyone taking time to put a light on the dash, is not worth the risk of breaking the window just to find a loud @$$ siren blasting at ya. and the stickers dont do much. but yeah. the led light on your dash will keep any teen in search of an ez system to leave your car alone. ------------- hey, everyone has got to start somewhere. but ill learn
Posted By: Xracerx
Date Posted: December 02, 2004 at 11:24 PM
I had a peep try to Jack me on my Motorcycle. He said he was going to shot me and take it. I pulled out a Colt .45 Auto and said he had 3 seconds to talk with God before I shot his ass dead! He said he was just kidding, I told him I was not and I don't give no second chances even to ID10T's! Note to Thiefs, Just remember you can be dead for stealing a set of tires. It happened here. All 3 are now dead from trying to steal a set of rims! I hope it was worth it to them.
Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: December 03, 2004 at 12:03 PM
Xracerx wrote:
Actually in Texas if you are in the commsion of a felon, You can kill them to protect your property. They can even be running away or not even pull a weapon. Night or Day it makes no Differance.
and if someone pulls a joint out, the cops can shoot him, i'll stay in canada ;p
Posted By: Xracerx
Date Posted: December 03, 2004 at 7:41 PM
Cause they took your guns in Canada and left you to the mercy of the thiefs.
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: December 03, 2004 at 8:49 PM
Xracerx wrote:
Actually in Texas if you are in the commsion of a felon, You can kill them to protect your property. They can even be running away or not even pull a weapon. Night or Day it makes no Differance.
I'm not a lawyer, but I believe this is a gross overstatement of the law in Texas, especially in the context of booby traps. Even in Texas, it probably isn't smart to go around using ANY KIND of deadly force to protect your car radio. You still need to show that the property or the person could not be protected by less extreme means for the deadly force to be justified. See Tex. Pen. Code Ann. § 9.42. and D. Mark Elliston, Tex. Prac. Guide Crim. Prac. & Procedure Ch. 15.XII (2004). Also, regarding booby traps in Texas, you can use devices (booby traps) to protect property, however, only if the device, "is not designed or known to cause death or serious bodily injury " AND is reasonable under the circumstances. See Tex. Pen. Code Ann. § 9.42. and D. Mark Elliston, Tex. Prac. Guide Crim. Prac. & Procedure Ch. 15.XII (2004). Again, even in Texas, it probably isn't smart to go around booby trapping your car with devices that can cause serious bodily injury. /End public service announcement. If you have a question, consult your attorney before you implement the device. ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: /R7
Date Posted: December 03, 2004 at 9:17 PM
thats why my idea of having an alarm that reaches in excess of 200db would be a perfect system. if a thief attempts to steal anything. its doing physical damage, but what judge would side with a thief saying my alarm is too loud? besides im a deep sleeper, i need to hear it if im sleeping in a basement, i cant even hear trains go by most times @ night and im not even a full block away from the tracks.
Posted By: MAXST
Date Posted: December 03, 2004 at 11:06 PM
multiple sirens too...and a high pitched one. Those really hurt the ears.
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Posted By: Xracerx
Date Posted: December 03, 2004 at 11:19 PM
kfr01] wrote:
QUOTE=Xracerx]Actually in Texas if you are in the commsion of a felon, You can kill them to protect your property. They can even be running away or not even pull a weapon. Night or Day it makes no Differance.
I'm not a lawyer, but I believe this is a gross overstatement of the law in Texas, especially in the context of booby traps. Even in Texas, it probably isn't smart to go around using ANY KIND of deadly force to protect your car radio. You still need to show that the property or the person could not be protected by less extreme means for the deadly force to be justified. See Tex. Pen. Code Ann. § 9.42. and D. Mark Elliston, Tex. Prac. Guide Crim. Prac. & Procedure Ch. 15.XII (2004). Also, regarding booby traps in Texas, you can use devices (booby traps) to protect property, however, only if the device, "is not designed or known to cause death or serious bodily injury " AND is reasonable under the circumstances. See Tex. Pen. Code Ann. § 9.42. and D. Mark Elliston, Tex. Prac. Guide Crim. Prac. & Procedure Ch. 15.XII (2004). Again, even in Texas, it probably isn't smart to go around booby trapping your car with devices that can cause serious bodily injury. /End public service announcement. If you have a question, consult your attorney before you implement the device. [/QUOTE] Not one shoting that involved property thief has ever gone past a Grand Jury hearing. The cases were where "Deadly Force Was Used" In three of them the thiefs were running away.! In one the thief was heared yelling don't shot me, while the owner shot him dead. I could go on but my point is made. They have sent a message to thiefs. Get a job and buy your own sh*t. It's not worth your life. I Know what a booby trap is "it can't be one that can cause death" reason being someone that was not stealing could be killed with out a human making the final discion.
Posted By: kfr01
Date Posted: December 03, 2004 at 11:37 PM
Xracerx wrote:
Not one shoting that involved property thief has ever gone past a Grand Jury hearing.
Do you have a cite for that? - You've sparked my curiosity. ------------- New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
Posted By: Xracerx
Date Posted: December 03, 2004 at 11:53 PM
The Dallas Morning news did a big story on it 6 months ago. They went through the Grand Jury records for "Deadly force shotings" they came up with only one that went to trial. In that case the defendent was found not quilty. It involved a older man that was getting beaten in the head by a Hawian. The older man shot him dead causee he could not get out of his car. And even then it was because the Texas concealed weapon law had just taken affect. They were affraid that everybody that had a CCW was going to be a gun fighter I quess. The Police do not have the same choice in shotings. All shotings go before a review board and to a Grand Jury.
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