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DMM that reads RPM and Dwell

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Topic: DMM that reads RPM and Dwell

Posted By: overworked2
Subject: DMM that reads RPM and Dwell
Date Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:30 PM

Hey guys I've recently moved to the US from Australia and in transit I somehow managed to lose one of my tool chests :x

In it was my most precious DMM now albeit it was only $45 when I brought it a few years ago but the beauty of this one was that it could read RPM and dwell angle on a motor. It was perfect! and now it's gone.

Ive looked at a few auto shops and Radioshacks and they just look at me stupidly, I would really like to get a replacement meter that can do the same. To get me by I have purchased a $9.99 DMM from Walmart and it "works" although the continuity buzzer sounds a little on the sick side!

Anyone know where I could get another one that does what my old one did?

Thanks guys



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Check all advice given with a meter



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Posted By: Mad Scientists
Date Posted: October 28, 2005 at 1:43 PM

I know the Fluke 88 does what you want and a lot more (I have one).. but hold onto your wallet. Around $400.

Jim





Posted By: overworked2
Date Posted: October 28, 2005 at 1:50 PM

OMFG

Thats criminal! on two levels!

My last trainee had mummy buy him a really good DMM..yup, the Fluke 88 (didn't know it could do that though!) and he said it cost her about 220!

Secondly, my original was like $45 or there abouts

Aye Carumba!

Well, thanks mate! I guess I can hold off for awhile, either that or keep trying to remember the brand of my last one.



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Posted By: sneakycyber
Date Posted: October 28, 2005 at 3:21 PM

FLUKE RULES!!!. I do have a cheapo that I got from Autozone that I use as "'the loaner" it was less then 50 bucks



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Posted By: tragik
Date Posted: October 28, 2005 at 9:43 PM

I have the Fluke 88 too. For installations, its about as good as you can get. A DMM is one tool that lives up to the adage 'you get what you pay for.' Spend the money and get a good one. you'll thank yourself later.

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Northstart.....or start it your damn self.




Posted By: overworked2
Date Posted: October 28, 2005 at 11:53 PM

To be honest, I don't think you do get what you pay for, not all the time. Sure, the fluke is much more accurate then the 9.99 special, but honestly, when was the last time you needed to tell the difference between 12.34V and 12.35V? So long as it shows some fluctuation right?

So long as it can determine if there is continuity there? It works right?

Measuring current? Why use a DMM? Anyone of them would give a false reading, get DAM Clamp measures upto a good solid 200amps! My last one for $45 had an RS232 socket. Could store max, min, avg and mean.

Sorry, I can't justify spending $400 on a DMM with a name brand when it was outperformed by a $45 special. Know what I mean?

The size of your appendage isn't dependant upon the value of your DMM



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Check all advice given with a meter




Posted By: overworked2
Date Posted: October 28, 2005 at 11:54 PM
on another note, the quality of your install isn't dependant on the value of your DMM either. LOL

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Check all advice given with a meter




Posted By: tragik
Date Posted: October 29, 2005 at 8:16 PM
A cheapo meter may get the job done, but a quality meter will pay for itself over time. More advanced installs require more advanced testing capabilities, and for me anyhow, I simply do not have time to d*ck around with crappy meters that don't have every function that I might need on any given car. I would much rather have one high quality meter that does everything I will ever need. My Fluke has a lifetime warranty too, so if it ever breaks, Snap-on will give me a new one for free, no questions asked.

Technically, a Geo Metro will work just as well as a Cadillac for driving around town, but does that mean its just as good? Hell no. In my opinion, meters are the same way.

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Northstart.....or start it your damn self.




Posted By: tragik
Date Posted: October 29, 2005 at 8:20 PM
And my 88 NEVER gives a false current reading. The clamp is nice, but hard to get into all places in a car. Every installer should have both.

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Northstart.....or start it your damn self.




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: November 03, 2005 at 10:35 PM

Another thing to look at is the speed of the meter.  My Fluke 189 (logging meter with RS232 port) could read signals in cars that no one else in the shop could read.  Things like BCM controlled door locks (roughly a 0.3 second signal in newer Nissans/Infinitis). 

For day to day use I recomend buying a $20.00 Craftsman meter, as your voltage accuracy in car audio IS unimportant.  But, have the Fluke handy because eventually you WILL need it for something. 

The Fluke 189 does frequency as well, but will cost you closer to $500.  I wouldn't trade mine for the world!



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: Mad Scientists
Date Posted: November 05, 2005 at 10:00 PM

The new Fluke 88 kit is running around $559..

In all serious, if all you're going to do is measure chunky volts and continuity then the $20 no name meter is probably fine. The advantage for me with the Fluke 88 is measuring pulse width, RPM, Frequency, Min/Max, and things like that.

At one time I bought the Fluke 88, an IR temp probe, a contact temperature module, a pressure module,  and some other odds and ends. I laid down somewhere in the neighborhood of $1k dollars for all this stuff.

Use what you can afford..

Jim





Posted By: tragik
Date Posted: November 06, 2005 at 4:29 AM
good tools are what seperates a good installer from the guy that just does it for fun in his parkinglot.

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Northstart.....or start it your damn self.




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: November 06, 2005 at 8:26 AM

tragik wrote:

good tools are what seperates a good installer from the guy that just does it for fun in his parkinglot.

All of my installs are done in driveways and parking lots for fun, so your theory isn't 100% correct.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: Mad Scientists
Date Posted: November 06, 2005 at 8:40 AM

You mentioned a shop in a previous post.. what do you do for a living KP?..

Jim





Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: November 06, 2005 at 12:21 PM

I worked as an installer for Circuit City through college.  After I graduated (BS in electronics and computer technology) I stuck around for a while until I found a job as an automation engineer in the petrochemical industry.  Lots of travel and late nights in hotel rooms let me to start my own company, KPtechnologies. where I am the majority owner and Director of Engineering.  I basically design the hardware and write the software for all of the automation products we sell.  I can't seem to get too far away from cars, although I don't do many installs much anymore, mostly just for family or friends (how fun is that).  The majority of the stuff I install now are things that I have designed and built myself.  Having two jobs keeps me really busy, typically working 70-80 hours a week, but hopefully it will pay off by the time I'm 30.

I started out really big in to stereos and custom installs (https://www.angelfire.com/oh2/piersonkevin).  There are pics of my first two cars I ever owned and the installations I did on them (not too bad for a high school kid with no professional experiance at the time).  Later the installation in my Cavalier opened up the door to Circuit City (the were very impressed with it).  While working at Circuit City I got burnt out on the stereo side of things and turned on to the alarm/security/convienence stuff.  I've been hooked ever since.

Sorry to go so off topic, but thats my story.  I am not a professional installer anymore, but in my driveway I can still out install any of the guys (still talk to them all) at either of the two local Circuit Citys :)



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: tragik
Date Posted: November 06, 2005 at 10:32 PM
See, I wasn't all that far off. I'm not saying that a good install can't be done in a parking lot. I'm sure that during your career as an istaller that you probobly aquired some quality tools. And you proboly also had your fair share of encounters with people who fancied themselves to be installers until they couldnt get their install to work and had to pay you to fix it. No disrepect intended to those who do work in a garage or driveway. I do a fair amount of installation in less than ideal settings, as a portion of my business is devoted to being mobile, but the reason that I can be successfull doing so is partly because I have good tools. Its mostly the fact that I know how to use them. Good tools only go so far.

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Northstart.....or start it your damn self.




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: November 07, 2005 at 6:06 AM
haha, I know what you are saying, and I would agree with you.  If I had a dollar for every head unit I saw installed by "someones buddys cousin" with wire nuts and duct tape I wouldn't have to work ever again!

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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: pss5075104
Date Posted: November 07, 2005 at 9:42 AM
i agree with the both of you. i have seen some majorly haced up cars from people who thought the were installers.

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MECP First Class Certified Installer.

Nothing is impossable, it's just more expensive.





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