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Topic: dropping voltage wiring

Posted By: turbor1
Subject: dropping voltage wiring
Date Posted: June 03, 2007 at 5:30 PM

I'm running a fuel pump at 12 volts and I need to bump it down to 5 or 6 volts to reduce flow/ pressure. The pump runs at 12 volts with 5.4 amps. I did some searching and similar posts said to run +5V Fixed-Voltage Regulator 7805 from radio shack in parallel for more current. I don't know alot of electrical stuff like resistors and diodes and all that fun stuff so I'm posting for help/ a diagram on how to wire them up and how many would would be needed. Thanks



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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: June 03, 2007 at 8:00 PM
You can use the 7805s to regulate the voltage. They are rated at 1 amp each when mounted to a heat sink. I do not know if your fuel pump will run on 5 volts. If you know it will it is not hard to connect the regulators.

I would use 8 of them. The mounting tab is also the ground connection. So you can mount them to a piece of metal and then mount that to the chassis of the vehicle for a heat sink.

There will be a diagram on the package but I am pretty sure the left leg is Input   the middle leg (and the mounting tab) is ground    right leg is 5volt out.




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: June 03, 2007 at 9:16 PM

Why don't you use a fuel pressure regulator?

What kind of car?



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: turbor1
Date Posted: June 03, 2007 at 10:00 PM

I do have a pressure regulator its on a Carbed yamaha R1 turbo my system only needs about 15psi max and my pump will do about 85psi I'm not 100 percent positive if it will run on 5 volts but I don't see why it wouldn't. If it doesn't then worst case is I buy a different pump.

After toying with my system for about 8 months the only thing I have left to try is lowering the flow/psi at the pump. My theory is that the pump is to powerful for my regulator and causes the spikes in my  fuel pressure when boost rises.





Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 5:24 AM

DC motors typically don't respond well to running at lower voltages then they are designed for.  It may run halfway decent but produce much more heat, it may hesitate as it spins and not spin consistently, and it may not spin at all.

If you want reliable speed control of the pump look in to pulse width modulation.  It will give you a much better chance of consistency wihtout risking burning up the motor that drives the pump.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: terbo
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 1:14 PM

I think the pulse width mudulation is out of my league if I need to make one. It would definately be the best way to go but I can only find one prebuilt unit and its to big to place somewhere on my motorcyle and its not protected from anything so I'd also have to make a protective enclosure  for it also.



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Posted By: turbor1
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 1:22 PM
sorry that was me I'm on my work computer




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 2:56 PM

Here is a DIY: https://www.aaroncake.net/circuits/motorcon.asp

You would have to verify that the transistor output is large enough to drive your load, but other then that it's actually pretty simple.

You may also need to modify it slightly to work in a portable setting (automotive grade power supply stuff).

I'm guessing if you search long enough you will find a prefabbed controller. 

Otherwise, you can try running it at a lower voltage, but I am guessing you will burn the pump out quickly (maybe within a few hours) if it runs at all.

I honestly feel that this problem will be best fixed mechanically, either with a different/better fuel regulator, or  by converting to a return fuel system (if you don't already have one).  The regulator should be able to pinch off the flow regardless of how much pressure the pump creates.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: turbor1
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 3:30 PM
why would it burn up the pump to run at 5v rather than 12v?




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 7:15 PM

The windings of a 12vdc motor are different then the windings of a 5vdc motor.

Do a little research on DC motor control, as DC motor control is completely different then AC motor control.  AC motors you can typically control speed by varying the voltage.  DC motors usually like the PWM signal.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: poorkid
Date Posted: June 12, 2007 at 11:21 AM
This is TurboR1 My account was suspended for some reason?

Anyway I recieved my pulse width modulator and I believe 1 of these 2 diagrams are how I need hook my pump up but i'm not sure. Right now I have my pump on a relay and toggle switch and don't know what the "DC load" is on the diagrams and I don't know what the 1k thing is on the internal volt setup.

https://www.vellemanusa.com/downloads/0/infosheet_k8004_internalvolt.pdf

https://www.vellemanusa.com/downloads/0/infosheet_k8004_separatevoltage.pdf





Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: June 12, 2007 at 1:05 PM

You want to go with the internalvolt one.  Go to your local parts suppliar (like Radioshack) and pick up a 1K potentiometer.  They have three connections on them - make sure the middle connection (the wiper) goes to the DC In terminal.  Then, wire the the left terminal to ground and the right terminal to VREF (they can go either way, so you can't get them backward). 

Hook your 12vdc up to the power terminals then your fuel pump up to the load terminals.

With this setup, the potentiometer will act as a 'volume knob'.  The further you turn it, the more power it will feed to the pump.

Part number and cost of the unit you got?



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: poorkid
Date Posted: June 13, 2007 at 1:17 AM

I bought the Velleman k8004 kit from hobbytron.com they listed it for $17 but I paid $45 for it to be assembled and shipped. 

I bought the 1k potentimeter like you suggested thanks :) hooked it up today and it works beautifully. now I just need to come up with some sort of protective case for it since its under the passenger seat on my turboed Yamaha R1.

Thanks for all the help everyone! 






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