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Hello all. I am attempting my first fiberglass project. So far I think I did what I was suppose to. Here is what I am doing. I am makeing a mold of my rear panel on my 05 pathfinder. The on on the rear hatch. So I have it all covered .. Put the first layer of glass on and let it sit. It has been sitting for about 2days now.

Here is my problem. I went to check on it this morning and it looks good about 90% of it is dry but some of it is still tacky .. Did I do something wrong ? I am thinking maybe it just still needs to dry so I put a heater next to it but I am not sure. What do you guys think?

Being in NY with this weather this time of year, you should have prolly added a bit more hardener. It actually cures with temperature so putting a heater on it would definately help. 2 days is an extremely long time and impractical to have to wait for fg to cure. Unless you put a very little % of hardener then it will just take longer to cure.

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Thanks. Maybe I did not use enough hardner like you said. Well lets see what happens. Thanks for the reply.

So lets say that on the off chance this still has not dired in a few more days .. Is there anything I can do to fix it?

I'm sorry to say then that the there isn't enough hardener in the mix and the project may need to be redone. A strong mix should not take more than 2-3 hours tops to cure. If it is taking longer than that, I'm afraid to say that your FG isn't mixed properly and will most likely have weak resin in it. If it is for a sub box expecially, I would consider restarting the FG and adding more hardener to compensate for the colder weather and higher humidity.

If it is just a cosmetic piece, then it might be enough to just add another layer of FG to reinforce what is cured ok.

Ganbatte ne!

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Well I kinda figure that was going to be my options. After looking over what I had and some thinking the section that did not dry corectly would not directly affect my enclousre. So I added some more mat and resin ( with the correct hardner ) and it is working now. This is my first layer so I will be adding a few more before it starts to even take shape so I think I will be ok.

Thanks again for all your help guys. I will have some pictures up soon but if this comes like I am picturing it in my head damn is it going to look sweet.

Here are a few pic of what I am doing. Basicly the whole enclousre is going to be fiberglass with some MDF for dividers and some support. I took the factory rear hatch panel and tried to make an exact mold of it so I can reproduse some of the lines on the inside the truck. I am not looking for window rattling bass just a nice sound and good looks. How mamny layers of Fg do you think I should use on the panel. I am thinking maybe 4. I plan on using 2 10" subs and having the amp in the middle of the 2.

Here are a few pictures of what I have so far. All comments are welcomed good or bad.

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2010007.jpg

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P1310006.jpg

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BTW I did get to fix some of the soft spots I had posted about earlier. They well not be holding any weigh so I glassed over them again. Some of the aluminum foil got stuck as you can see. I still have to sand it all down and make it smooth but I want to finish up the enclousre part so that I am not finishing something that is not going to be seen.

Here are a few more pictures. This shows what the original panel looks like on the truck and a mock up of what the new panel looks like.

Original look

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2030013.jpg

New panel. There is still alot of work to do and I still have to think up some mounting point and the speaker and amp placement.

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2030015.jpg

How's the fitment? Since you molded from the outside of the panel, any layers you add on should be to the inside of the FG so it strengthens without getting too big.

Keep those pictures coming and do not hesitate to ask questions we can help you with ok?

Ganbatte ne~!

Well, so for so good. one thing you may have wanted to do in the layup process is to have fabricated your sub openings in first and a spot for your amp. but it looks really good so far, you do have the fg touch so ya know. i have seen alot of low end first time projects, but if you keep up that good work, you will have alot less sanding to do. you should prolly do about 6+ layers tho. i know you said you didnt want window rattling bass, but if its too thin, it will rattle itself. looks good tho keep up on the pics i wanna see it finished, i know it takes time too. so we'll be watchin.

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Hello all ,

Thanks for the comments and suggestions. bellsracer, fitmet is really good. I have been adding to the inside but over all it fits really good. Almost factory if I my say so .. lol...

joyrydn , As for the sub enclosure I have not yet decided on how to angle the subs yet and I wanted to make sure that I was going to get a good mold before going all out. Thanks for the complement . As for the layers I see what you mean so I guess I will be going back to the store for more mat. I am going to start on the enclousre part and amp hopefully this weekend. I am going to look at an amp Saturday. Once I have that I can place everything out and start building from there . Once it warms up a bit and I can work outside I will finish up with the sanding and finishing touches.

The hardest part right now is tryng to figure out a mounting method for it. I have some ideas so will see.

And we await your result(s). My prayers are with you.

Ganbatte ne!

bellsracer wrote:

And we await your result(s). My prayers are with you.
Ganbatte ne!

Now I am worried if you are prying for me. lol .. This project is addicting .. I seem to always be in the garage now and the wife is feeling a bit left out.. She is very supportive thou so that is a good thing.. I started on the placement of the rings last night wso I am waiting on the amp and I will get some pictures up then. Thanks again for everyones support..

I will try to get some pictures of my mounting idea up too.

Don't say that. Consider getting her involved with the project as well and maybe even work together on a project for her car. That is how I got started. My sweetie asked if I wanted to join him on a project and we haven't stopped since.

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I love to see projects come together. It's the modern artist's canvas. So my prayers are a good thing. Be worried if I say "Heaven help you" >.<

Well bellsracer you just surprised me.. No offence but I had no idea that you were a women. either way I am happy to see that there are ladys getting more involved and vocal. Thnaks for the prayers. As for the wife... She does get involved some. I run alot of my thoughts by her and she tends to make sence of them for me. She has a way of telling me if they are stupid or not only like a wife can .. lol

Anyway she is just as excited to see the truck done as I am .. Thanks again ..

Ok I have a question .. If I make the enclousre a bit smaller than recommended would I still get good sound out of it? Also what is the best materail to use to wrap it with ?

hey everyone, wow gone for 3 days and i missed alot. your best bet always is to use a stretchy fleece. pull it really tight, you dont want it to sag when you add resin. then do about 6+ layers on that(this is why i stated to lay it all up right away) makes it a bit easier. now you will have 2 different layers/ enclosures. you would benefit from making the outer layer now that you have the hang of it. with the sub and amp layout, you can mount the panel on the door and before tightening it down, run a line of silicon around the panel and let sit 24 hours, this will seal the enclosure. take into concideration a roll down rear window. make sure it air tight. my 1st project was a bit of a flop. i fg my a pillars, and the passenger side i started first. i never took into cincideration it sagging on me and it was an 1/8 inch too big and i started that one over. another option is to scuff up the panel u made and build off of it, because i know starting over sux. i hope im not being too preachy, just i learned alot from my screw ups. as far as space goes, it will always sound better and hit harder with more space, but if you go with a higher output sub like a low pro sub, it will hit harder to begin with. i dont want any1 to think poor of me, i am opinionated a bit, ask the wife.

As far as your wife goes, make sure she's not too left out. i speak from experience here man. my wife hates the time i spend on my truck, so i take a break here and there. i try to get her involved, but she doesnt get as excited bout these things like we all do.

and bellsracer, i too am shocked that u are a woman, no offense. it sure is nice to have the females showing a passion for the auto scene tho. nice to have you here. for a while there, i was thinking all us guys were alone. nothing bad on ur part either. i guess we are all guilty of stereo typing a bit. sorry for that.

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T-T ... Just because I am in the Mobile Entertainment world, that automatically makes me a man?!? WAH! You all are mean!!! INSTALLER_MSS is the only really nice guy (save for the mods hehe ^-^)

Just kidding ^-^ v

Ok joking aside: Well if you make the enclosure smaller than recommended, you'll end up loading harder on the sub which will increase the power handling and make the sub more precise, but it will sacrifice the output. You can recover some of the boom by using polyfil inside the enclosure, but a sub outside of recommended specs will change from the primary intention of sound, but there is a possibility if can gain a result that is stable for the sub but may not provide the best performance.

As for wrapping it, I am assuming you mean final skinning and finish?
If you are using carpet, best to use not backed carpet for easiest use and in many cases a semi-"factory" look to it. Surface prep for underneath carpet isn't TOO crucial, but large blemishes may show up under carpet.
If you are using Vinyl, get 4-way stretch as much as possible, over curves and other surfaces, trust me, even a beginner will be able to skin like a pro with 4-way. Surface prep is more important here and any joining areas such as FG to wood must be very smooth (almost to the point you can't feel it really) even slight flaws may show up in vinyl.
If using cloth, that will vary a LOT from each type. I've used Cotton, Polyester, and even Lace and each one had different molding and curving properties. Surface prep will vary a lot so this area is more of a trial and error zone.

Anything else?

Ganbatte ne!

Well thanks for all the advised. As for the layers and doing all in one shot instead of going back afterwards I know what you mean joyrydn but at the time I was not sure how things were going to come out so I did not buy enough. Anyway I will be adding all the layers and doing some sanding and things like that this weekend I hope. I still have a bit to go on it but I guess there is no rush if I want to come out right . I really don't want to build off of the factory panel. I want to keep the factory on for the off chance I go back to a factory look or trade in the truck ..

As for the space issue I am not that far off from the recommended spec so I don't think it will be a big issue. Bellsracer I am not going to be wraping it with carpet or anything like that I want to paint it the color of the truck so I guess I would be using cotton or something like that. The wife gave me a bed sheet to use .. Not sure if that was to sleep out in the garage or to cover the enclousre...lol No it is for the enclousre but I don't know if that is going to work or not. I guess this is my trial and error zone huh ...

As for the polyfil would I just add some to the enclousre and that will make it seem bigger ?

Anyway I will have some pic's coming soon .. Thanks again for all your help and support .

Quote: (As for the space issue I am not that far off from the recommended spec so I don't think it will be a big issue. Bellsracer I am not going to be wraping it with carpet or anything like that I want to paint it the color of the truck so I guess I would be using cotton or something like that. The wife gave me a bed sheet to use .. Not sure if that was to sleep out in the garage or to cover the enclousre...)

Ok now that really made me LOL! thanks man. and no dont use a sheet, it wont stretch like u want. you really want to use a stretchy fleece, i went to walmart and bought like 12 yards to do all my interior fg with and that 12 yards only ran me $18.00. u cant go wrong there. it stretches tight and holds a nice shape. then add resin, matting and so on. And what i meant for the build off was off the fg panel you made, not the factory panel. this will seal it all nicely, but i would utilize the space in the door for more air space. i say this because my earthquake sws' needed more space than the first box i build, so i went back to my shop and cut and made bigger. smaller air space took alot of the BOOM away i was looking for . now with the bigger box, my neighbor yelled cause i knocked her picture off the wall. that made me happy, when the wife came out and said the neighbor was yelling at me and never even heard her. whether it did fall i doubt it, but its loud just the same. so use fleece and more space buddy.

p.s. get us some pics man!

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yearmax416 wrote:

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As for the space issue I am not that far off from the recommended spec so I don't think it will be a big issue. Bellsracer I am not going to be wraping it with carpet or anything like that I want to paint it the color of the truck so I guess I would be using cotton or something like that. The wife gave me a bed sheet to use .. Not sure if that was to sleep out in the garage or to cover the enclousre...lol No it is for the enclousre but I don't know if that is going to work or not. I guess this is my trial and error zone huh ...
As for the polyfil would I just add some to the enclousre and that will make it seem bigger ?
Anyway I will have some pic's coming soon .. Thanks again for all your help and support .

If you are planning on painting it, then you won't need to wrap it or anything. You just need to do a bit (or a lot depending on how smooth your FG is) of prep work on the panel itself. Once you have everything done, you'll need to hit the surface of the panel with acetone (LIGHTLY) and 80 grit (80g) sandpaper. This will remove the wax that has come to the surface of the FG when it cured. The 80g wil give the next steps bite to hold on the panel. Then you'll want to skim coat body filler onto the panel. Try and get your sanding and everything to keep the body filler within 1/8" at the thickest, but no more than 1/4" if it can be helped. Then sand that with progressively smoother grits (120g, then 220, 320, 400) By the time you hit 400 you should see no sanding lines and the surface will be super smooth. If you are using automotive paint, sand to 600. If you are using color matched spray paint (touch up paint for example) 400 is fine. You'll need at least a couple of coats to make a durable paint. First coat should be a dusty, then another coat, then another, and keep adding until the panel is painted well. From there, you'll have to decide what finish you are going for. If you want the glossy look, add your clear coats and do some wet sanding with 1500g or 2000g until all the orange skin is gone. If you want the flat look, get a satin or flat clear and spray that on, no sanding.

Last but not least of course: HAVE FUN!

Adding polyfil will make the enclosure seem bigger, but remember that takes up airspace too and since you are already smaller than recommended, you'll want to not use too much.

Pics please

bellsracer,

what yearsmax means by wrapping it is over the skeleton frame what to wrap to start out on the wounting panel for the subs and amp. i know what you are talking about. just not to add to his or her confusion. ya pics please we want to see what ur progress looks like.

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Pics will be up tonight.. Sorry for the delay . I did some sanding and had to fix a couple spots so that is what I am doing now .. Added some more fg to fix the spots. Want to use the bondo for the final steps. So anyway I will have a few pics up tonight of what I have so far.

Thanks again for all the help. I don't think I would have gotten as far with out you all. Thanks ..

Here are the pictures as promised . This one shows some of the patch work I started on. It is on the bottom part of the panel. I wanted to clean up the lines a bit and I had a few holes to patch up also. https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2110034.jpg . The following ones show the rings mounted and the divider in the middle. You will notice I started some of the sanding. I am not to concerned about how smooth the center protion will be as it is not going to be seen or should I be?. That will be inside the enclosure. Once it is sanded some more and I have it to where I want it I will wrap it.

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2060026.jpg

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2060028.jpg

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https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2110033.jpg

So far I am happy with it which is the main part of this whole project. it may take me sometime but I think it will come out good. Hell my wife who is very critical about the way things look likes it alot and even think that I show take the truck to a show this summer if I get everything done by then. So that was my sign of approval that I am doing well. Anyway let me know what you think so far.

OOOHHHH!!!! >.< I thought you were going to embed the subs into the door itself as in shallow mount and use the airspace inside the gate for part of the enclosure. (Boy do I feel blonde >.<)

Hehe... looks good so far. What are you planning to use to stretch your skin? If it is fleece, It tends to add pressure to the rings as it cures with resin (shrinks a bit) so I would consider adding more reinforcement to the rings. But that is just me... I'm a "never-too-strong" kind of girl. hehe...

Keep up the good work and I can't wait to see more.

Ganbatte ne!

I am sure your are a cute blonde so no worries.. As for the embeding the subs into the door I was thinking of doing that but I would not have enogh air space to do that. so I went with this idea. I think it works for what I want which is to have that bass and still keep cargo area without have to move a box out iof the way.

As for covering it thanks for the heads up. I will add the extra support which may mean that I will have to use the little pace in the door to make up for the air space issue. The more supports and things like that the more it takes up air space correct? I am pushing the limit now with air space so adding more supports will take away from that if I have read correctly. I do want the whole thing to be strong . don't want to be closing the door and the thing cracking on me so I know what you mean about being strong.

Anyway That is not to big of a deal. I will keep the pictures coming. I still have to get the amp to work that in so hopefully I will have some more progress this weekend.

bells, blonde is ok too. we've all been there.

years, i would only woory about smoothing the middle a bit more if its a matter of the amp fiiting close and looking better, otherwise whatever works best for you. and btw nice layup. i love it the four point support will work just fine for stretching the fleece, trust me on that. most ppl use 2 and it goes crack when they pull it. you r really getting the hang of this and ur wife is right it is lookin really good. everyone give years a big hand. we're just pointing you in the right direction, its all you man. keep it up. i cant wait to see the fin prod.

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hmm.... It's been a LONG time since I was a blonde. According to my sweetie, he says I look cute as a blonde but he loves my natural color best (jet black, meaning it reflects blue) He even did a drawing of me in anime form. I don't think "cute" would be ok for me as a blonde...

hehe... how about sultry or sexy?

ok well... I'm done for now

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Ganbatte ne!

Ok so I picked up a 1200watt Lanzar 2ch amp last night. So I will be fitting that and tryng to get the enclosure cover up. I will try to get picks up soon.

sweet i like brunettes better newayz. so cool cant wait to see pics.

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Ok well I did a test fit last night and did not like how the amp would sit in the middle of the 2 subs so I am killing that idea. I am just going to do the 2 subs. I guess I will have to go with option 2 for the amo.. flush mount in the back of the seat.

Ok so I have cover it . Had some setback and a few minor roadblocks but I got thru them. Here are a few pic's of what I have so far. You will notice my wife;s had in a couple pics. Had to have her sew the 2 sides as I was having some issues with them but I think I got it under controls. So far I have coated it with resin and waiting for it to dry. After I will be adding FG to it to.

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2160035.jpg

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2160037.jpg

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Here are a few more pic's. One layer of resin added. I ran out so I have to get some more. I am going to add on 2 more layers. I teset fitted it in the truck and it is a very tight fit. A bit tighter tham I would have liked and I am affraid of what will happen when I add in the next 2 layers.. I guess will see.

Well here is what I have

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2170046.jpg

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2170048.jpg

not too bad my friend, in the pics it looks like the center divider is gonna rub on the floor, or is it just the camera angel? i'd only put one layer on the outside, and 2 layers on the inside to make sure you dont tighten that fit up too much. let me know how it turns out

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I was thinking of doing the layers on the inside but my issue is will I be able to sand it as normal? I just don't want to ruin what I already have. I would love to add to the inside instead if the outer to keep the fit where it is at now. As for the divider yes it is a bit tight so I am going to try and sand it down some. Stupid me dod not test fit with the divider and got a little ahead of myself.

Anyway I am likeing it so far and think I have come up with a way to attach it to the door. I will keep you all posted.

Ok so after really looking at what it looks like in the truck and my color options I am going to try and match that color of the panel. Going over the color options with the wife and getting her input that seems to be the best way to go to keep everything flowing in the truck.

We both think it would look better than the factory red of the truck.

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ok, i would add one layer on the outside and add a few to the inside. use a good brush and smooth the glass on the inside as much as possible, as long as its air tight u wont need to sand it just knock off the fibers that can stick you. no one will see the inside so sanding is not a priority. thats probably your best bet. then add thin layers of body filler to the outside to get a glass smooth finish. try that and keep me posted, your almost done man. keep up the good work, glad to hear the wife is still involved with it, thats awesome.

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looking nice. Have you decided if you are going to paint it or just wrap it in some material?

pmendoza408 wrote:

looking nice. Have you decided if you are going to paint it or just wrap it in some material?

I have decided on what I am going to do. Earlier in the post I mentioned that I was going to paint it the same color of the truck but after looking at the pictures and much back and forth with the wife and some colors I am going to try and match the color of the plastic in the truck. So I am going to still paint just a different color. It is a graphite grey I believe.

I am still doing some finishing touches so no pic's yet but I will have some up soon.

I wanted to ask do any of you have pictures of some of your work?

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Ok here is an update. I have 3 layers of resin and some matting on the ouside and 1 layer of resin on what I could reach on the inside of the enclosure. I have let it all dry real good and sanded it as smooth as I could. I fixed the bottom of the center section that was pressing on the carpeting in the truck. SO far it is looking ok. I was able to place the whole thing on the floor and stand on it so I think it is strong.

Sorry no pic's of the sanding but like I said I got it as good as I could. After sanding and wiping it all done I spread on one more layer or resin as smooth as I could and I am waiting for it to dry.

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2260049.jpg

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P2260051.jpg

Yes there is some inperfection but I am learning . Well let me know what you think.

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hey looks really good, make sure the spot on the divider is really strong though or it will crack down the road. i would sand then add body filler or bondo. evercoat makes a self leveling lightweight filler that has no pin holes, i have used it with much success and i love it, keep up the good work

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Sorry I have not updated this in a while. things have been a bit crazy. I have started to add the bondo to it and smooth it out some. I am not to worried about it being real smooth I just don't want big waves. Anyway I am going to try and match the rest of the interior color and it is semi-rough looking so very small inperfections are not a big deal.

I will post pic's soon.

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Here are a few pic's

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P3110059.jpg

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wow, thats lookin pretty badass. i cant wait to see it on ur truck, keep me posted.

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Hello all ,

Sorry I have not posted in a while .. Life got a bit crazy around here. Well I finally finish my box. I will tell you I am please with the way it came out and it was fun doing it. I am in the process of putting in the ssystem now so I will post pictures ones it is all done but here are a couple of the finished box. I wanted to match the dark grey interior panels and this was as close as I got.. The enclouser is not perfect but hey I am not a pro ..

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P4240106.jpg

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P4240107.jpg

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turned out real nice man. I'm working on some pods myself. it's fun what you learn as you go along, isn't it?

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turned out quite well my friend, can't wait to see it kooked up in the rig. props!

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tubbs04 wrote:

turned out real nice man. I'm working on some pods myself. it's fun what you learn as you go along, isn't it?

Yes it is really good what youi can learn. Got alot of help for this forum so I am sure it you will as well if needed. everything turned out really nice and I am happy with the results. I have seem my mistakes and have learned from them so if there is a next time them it should come out better. Thanks to everyone that has help me along with this project and to the12volt.com for being around and having great people here to help.

Here are some pictures of the final results. There is still minor tweaking I have to do so that everything sounds good but overall I am amazed at how well it came out.

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/IMG_1587.jpg

https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P4290007.jpg

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https://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k80/yearmax/Pathfiinder%20upgrades/P4290012.jpg

Let me know what you think..

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