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Topic: general box build

Posted By: 02_grandam
Subject: general box build
Date Posted: March 05, 2010 at 10:13 AM

Well, I had elaborate plans to use 2 corner boxes I pixked up, and re-vamp the system with 2 12's, replacing my current 15. Then I started thinking...Why mess with a good thing? Plus I'd have to find another 2 decent 12's to buy, sinking more money in.

So, I'm back to my old plan. My current box is 3.5 cubes, ported to 34Hz, 36W X 16H X 19D, and was done up on RE Enclosure Calculator about 2 years ago. The box is painted red, looks shabby as hell, hence the reason I'd like to make a new, much cleaner version. I've had a few people tell me that the RE calculator is way off on the specs it gives in terms of the tuning frequency, is this true?

I've been looking at the calculators on this site, and was thinking on building a 3.5 cube box, and using 1 or 2  6" PVC ports with curved edges (Using the old heat up the puipe and press on a metal bowl trick) The calc tells me for 33Hz in the 3.5cubes, and 1 6" port, I'd need 15" for lenth. So I have a few questions here:

  • In telling the calc 3.5 cubes, I assume that means after sub displacement? 
  • With 3.5 cubes, is that after port displacement as well?
  • Instead putting 1 15" port in there with an elbow on it (I was thinking I'd make the depth 15" this time around, so I'd need an elbow to get to 15") could I put 2 6" ports with 7.5" lenth each?
  • Ethier way, will that 15" of 6" port provide me with enough port area so I don't get port noise? I know 16 per cube is usually good, and I can calculate it for a slot port, but what area am I looking for in a round port?

If anyone wants to put something together for me to go by, or just ideas, max dimensions are the same as the old box (36W X 16H X 19D)  However I'd like to cut the depth down a small amount. Shooting for 3.5 cubes @ 33Hz, with enough port area not to give me a ton of port noise.

I look forward to hearing your responses. Thanks in advance for the help, I appreciate it!




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Posted By: j.reed
Date Posted: March 09, 2010 at 12:00 AM
You need to use Net volume for the port calculator to work correctly. So yes minus port volume, driver displacement and any additional bracing. 35-40sq.in of port area should be good.

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Posted By: calijtee1
Date Posted: March 09, 2010 at 1:00 AM
what type of 15" sub and what type of vechicle ???

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Posted By: 02_grandam
Date Posted: March 09, 2010 at 5:14 AM
15" Mmats ProCast in a 02 Grand Am Coupe.




Posted By: j.reed
Date Posted: March 09, 2010 at 6:43 PM
Missed your round port question. To find area of a circle you use r2 x Pi. so if you use a 6inch round port it would be 3 x 3 x 3.14= 28.26sq.in of port area.

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Posted By: 02_grandam
Date Posted: March 09, 2010 at 7:32 PM
^ Not nearly enough for 3.5 cubes. Starting to thinka reddesing of the slot port is in order.

Bump to the RE Calculator question, is it reliable?




Posted By: j.reed
Date Posted: March 09, 2010 at 7:50 PM
Never used it. So i don't know. I know the clacs here are.

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Posted By: 02_grandam
Date Posted: March 10, 2010 at 10:47 AM

I can get 58 sq/in of port area using a 4 inch wide by 14.5 high port, 16 sq/in per foot, which should definatly keep the port noise away.

Another question. I have a large amount of 5/8 mdf in my garage from a small sub box I built in my shed (Local yard only had 5/8). Can I build the box from this, or should I play it safe and go buy some 3/4? Keep in mind it's a 15, seeing 600-800W RMS





Posted By: j.reed
Date Posted: March 10, 2010 at 9:24 PM
If it were me. I would use 3/4, brace the crap out of it and double layer the baffle. An enclosure is one of the MOST critical parts of a system. You don't want to skimp here.

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Posted By: ianarian
Date Posted: March 10, 2010 at 11:01 PM
J.Reed, if i may, since your a better box man, do you always build to spec on your own boxes? I can understand recommending to it, but is it your flavor sound-wise? Have I asked you this before? Sorry if so. So on the side, unrelated to this topic, gimme your scoop! I personally use a higher level mid(for that noise) and oversize my sub enclosure by a(to embarrassing to mention) large amount. Reason for mention- after hearing the sound produced from my boxes and based on these listeners favoring rap. My friends(or so called customers if I charged for services) usually decide to donate a little more space than originally intended to achieve the sound. Now, my higher level associates building for customers to show or appease the more affluent enthusiasts ALWAYS use spec, understood! However, the other day my Cerwin VMAX 12" was mistaken for 2-15's by a individual familiar with car audio who overheard me being annoying with sound at a gas station. A compliment that rarely is given from a spec enclosure.

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Posted By: 02_grandam
Date Posted: March 11, 2010 at 2:21 PM
Bracing isn't really a worry. By double layer the baffle do you mean lay 2 sheets on the front?




Posted By: j.reed
Date Posted: March 11, 2010 at 3:24 PM
02_grandam wrote:

Bracing isn't really a worry. By double layer the baffle do you mean lay 2 sheets on the front?


yes 2 sheets. Helps strengthen the face. The subs especially large ones exert great force on there mounting wall. having more to screw into and the extra thickness really helps.

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Posted By: j.reed
Date Posted: March 11, 2010 at 3:46 PM
ianarian wrote:

J.Reed, if i may, since your a better box man, do you always build to spec on your own boxes? I can understand recommending to it, but is it your flavor sound-wise? Have I asked you this before? Sorry if so. So on the side, unrelated to this topic, gimme your scoop! I personally use a higher level mid(for that noise) and oversize my sub enclosure by a(to embarrassing to mention) large amount. Reason for mention- after hearing the sound produced from my boxes and based on these listeners favoring rap. My friends(or so called customers if I charged for services) usually decide to donate a little more space than originally intended to achieve the sound. Now, my higher level associates building for customers to show or appease the more affluent enthusiasts ALWAYS use spec, understood! However, the other day my Cerwin VMAX 12" was mistaken for 2-15's by a individual familiar with car audio who overheard me being annoying with sound at a gas station. A compliment that rarely is given from a spec enclosure.


"do you always build to spec on your own boxes?" NO, it really depends on the subwoofer and the overall goal. I recently went from a 11 cubic foot enclosure for my L7 15s with 100sq.in. of port area to 13.5cu.ft and 200sq.in. of port area. The first enclosure was for daily street beating. It was doing 149db on the tl. The new enclosure is doing 153db. It is tuned to 1/4 wave format to the sensor. It is way peaky, but is what was needed for the SPl shows im doing. I also made a slide in port with 120sq.in. of port area for daily tune. The problem with a design like my current one to do both spl then go to a more SQish sound in one enclosure is it took a lot of testing, design and was not easy at all to construct. Most are not going to do that. Most want in the middle. Sticking more to the recommended specs ensures you are in safe limits of the woofer in a normal music environment. Sticking somewhere within the min-max is going to get you good sound and output. Simply changing tune to put it more in the range of a listeners taste is much easier and way less time consuming. Not to mention much cheaper to not have to do all the testing with enclosure size and ports. The manufactures have mostly done this for you already to give you around the best overall on loudness and a good sound.



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Posted By: ianarian
Date Posted: March 13, 2010 at 12:15 AM
That's what I'm talkin about man, I like your style! Thanks for the feedback. Ima avid tester too! Those dimension's sound like some I'd be rockin. For my own systems, I add the sub and cut it off at like 55Hz. Just for a lil vibration in the cab... Cuz thats the way I like it. I can imagine the sound your producing and would pledge that I'd like it.

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