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Fiberglass bonding

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Forum Name: Fiberglass, Fabrication, and Interiors
Forum Discription: Fiberglass Kick Panels, Subwoofer Enclosures, Plexiglas, Fabrics, Materials, Finishes, etc.
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Printed Date: May 21, 2024 at 10:59 AM


Topic: Fiberglass bonding

Posted By: ryno1234
Subject: Fiberglass bonding
Date Posted: July 16, 2003 at 11:39 AM

I'm just getting started into fiberglass but I already have all these grand ideas set out for me ;-) I really got inspired by Alpines show car (although I WAS interested prior to their demo Civic SI, just not as much). I am curious actually about what fiberglass will and will not bond to. I've had requests from friends to mold their bodykit into their car so it doesn't look as if the body kit was rivited on, feather the edges into the body of the car. Does anyone know how to do this? Is it with fiberglass? If so, does the fiberglass bond to the cars body or do I need to do something special?

Thanks for all your help!




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Posted By: demeanor
Date Posted: July 17, 2003 at 3:04 PM
fiberglass resin has a bad tendency not to stick to things that are non-porous or too smooth. however it will bond to itself. if you sand the area you are to fiberglass...you'll be tbetter off.
i'm pretty sure that the way to get body kits to bond to a car is by way of a 2 part adhesive for body panneling; it is available through stores, but the gun needed to mix them is about 200$...so either find someone that has one or bondo and fiberglass will be your task.


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Posted By: kustomcarluvr
Date Posted: July 18, 2003 at 9:22 AM

I have done mine, I have found that fiberglass resin and mat, is the strongest, you just have to grind the metal with 24 grit on a grinder, and just run it across the kit real quick. You do not want to fiberglass, or bondo anything that has not been ground down, It Will Pull Away. Then I would use some Duraglass over that, because fiberglass is never very smooth, then use as little bondo as possible over the top of the duraglass and feather it up the grind marks.

Matt





Posted By: ryno1234
Date Posted: July 18, 2003 at 7:39 PM

Matt, thanks so much! Glad you could help me with that. Anybody know where I can buy dura glass? I searched for it on the internet and can't really find it anywhere. It's almost like it's an unkown thing. I found 2 places on the internet that sell it. Matt, do you have any pics of your car for me to check out?

Thanks,

Ryan





Posted By: mj239air
Date Posted: July 18, 2003 at 8:26 PM
I got my Duraglas at O'Reilly Autoparts. All it is is just fiberglass reinforced resin. Comes in about a gallon can there and cost about 30-40 bucks I think




Posted By: ryno1234
Date Posted: July 21, 2003 at 11:43 AM
I looked on alpines site and the guys who did the Alpine demo civic (my insirpation) said that they used dura glass and rage gold body filler religiously. The duraglas was this green looking stuff. Is this the same stuff that you're talking about? Anybody have any insight into any of this? I plan on changing the entire rear seat of my 98 mustang. I want to get rid of the two rear seats and just do an entire fiberglassed back end containing subs that point right into the back of either of the front seats all in a very nice curvy and attractive shape (should also be removeable for weight reduction while racing) So much to learn. I wish I had a full time mentor ;-)




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: July 21, 2003 at 12:25 PM
Duraglass is basically Rage Gold body filler with short strand fiberglass. Mix the two together to get Duraglass ( or Marglass ). I use this combonation to reinforce enclosures or panelling that I customize for customer's. Rear seat enclosures & amp racks are fun to make. we are in the process of making some for out Projekt Integra. We'll post the how-to's on this when we are finished.

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Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: ryno1234
Date Posted: July 21, 2003 at 3:51 PM
Thanks so much for everyones help. I can see myself fitting in just fine here posted_image




Posted By: kustomcarluvr
Date Posted: July 21, 2003 at 3:54 PM

Well, Duraglass is basically the same as Kitty hair, if you have seen that, They sell Kitty Hair at auto parts stores. Rage Gold is mor like Bondo, it is just supposed to be more light weight and stronger than Bondo. I found both at an Auto paint store, I get Duraglass because it is $35.00 for the Big can as apposed to Kitty hair at $10.00 for the small can. It takes about 5 cans of Kitty hair to equal one big can of Duraglass, you do the math. I can send pictures, I just need your email address.

Matt





Posted By: ryno1234
Date Posted: July 21, 2003 at 7:51 PM
Cool, email addy is ryan@Digitalwebdynamics.com. Thanks! Does that dura glass work good for feathering body kits into the body of a vehicle or would you have still used the fiberglass mat like you mentioned? The only thing that I"m thinking might be the problem with that idea, is that the body kit (if just rivited on like many do) leaves a lip where the body kit stops and the regular car body picks up that can be up to 1/4"+ in thickness. What would be the best way to blend that lip right into the body? Thx!




Posted By: kustomcarluvr
Date Posted: July 22, 2003 at 11:00 AM

I learned that the body kit if given the chance will pull away and crack any body filler used to mold it. The answer is to hold the skirts to the car to see about how high they will come on the car, then grind the area very well, with like 24 grit, then mount it as well as you can with rivets (rivets put in every area possible to make the kit wiggle as little as possible) then grind the lip of the kit (just to get it to where it is not smooth and the mat has something to hold on to) then cut mat the size that you want (all depends on how you want the kit to look when finished, whether you still see a lip or if you want it to blend like it is supposed to be there, but remember any place that you are putting fiberglass, or any kind of body filler should be ground down. As a rule of thumb, I always grind like 6 inches past where I am adding the filler) then spread resin on the car area itself, lay the mat, add resin to the mat (make sure you use enough mat to make it strong) Let it dry, grind it as smooth as possible with the 24 grit (without cutting all the way through the fiberglass) then Duraglass (Kitty Hair) making flow how you want, then get a light layer of Bondo on it. Then sand smooth, primer, sand, primer,sand,paint, depending on how well you do may add some more of the primer, sand steps.

Matt






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