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Resin and Hardener mix ratio

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Topic: Resin and Hardener mix ratio

Posted By: snowdeath
Subject: Resin and Hardener mix ratio
Date Posted: June 04, 2004 at 4:41 PM

What is the ratio of resin to hardener to use. I read the entire bucket of resin, but it does not say how much to hardener to use. Thanks.



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Posted By: casedeez
Date Posted: June 04, 2004 at 6:24 PM
I think it depends on the resin/hardener. It SHOULD say on the container. Maybe try reading over it again.




Posted By: mikedawg
Date Posted: June 04, 2004 at 7:43 PM
it should say on the container, but just experiment.i like to put a thin layer over the top of the resin. dont be afraid to put too much, itll just harden faster. after you glass for awhile youll be able to eye it.

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Posted By: stereoonwheels
Date Posted: June 07, 2004 at 3:59 PM
Yes you should be afraid of adding too much hardener.  It'll make your fiberglass heat up and warp when it cures.  Not a good thing.




Posted By: mikedawg
Date Posted: June 07, 2004 at 4:40 PM
the process of hardening in itself is gonna cause heat. its a chemical reaction. thats like saying if you leave your body kit out in the sun too long its gonna look different when you come outside the next day. oh yeah and i do this everyday so i kinda know a little bit about fiberglass.

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Posted By: stereoonwheels
Date Posted: June 07, 2004 at 6:49 PM

Yeah, I know it's a chemical reaction that causes the heat, and yes, it is going to create some heat  no matter how little hardener you use.  But there is such thing as too much.  Not only will it cause warpage, but it will also cause it to become weak and brittle.  And mikedawg, I'm not trying to start an argument with you.  I just want to make sure snowdeath is getting the right information.  I don't  doubt that you use fiberglass everyday, but that doesn't mean you're using it correctly.  But don't take my word for it.  Check out https://www.rtol.net/scornell/HowTo.htm.  If that isn't enough proof for you, let me know.  I'm sure I can find at least three more links to sites that say the same thing.  Snowdeath, typically the most common volume of hardener used is about 2% of the volume of resin.  I hope that helps.





Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: June 07, 2004 at 11:54 PM
I have always used a ratio of 10:1 and never had a problem with it being brittle or warping. 2% sounds like not near enough to me.

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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: June 08, 2004 at 12:28 AM

I find that the ratio used is dependent on the air temperature that you have to deal with. If your in a controlled environment ( room temperature ) and this temperature doesn't fluctuate alot, then you can mix a smaller ratio of hardener/resin. This will allow time for you to roll out the air bubbles as well as place more matting if necessary.

If the air temperature is not stable and/or is colder, then I suggest a stronger ratio of hardener to resin so that it doesn't take days for the glass to cure. As far as warping goes, as long as you do not take the mold out too soon to thicken, you shouldn't have any problems with warping. Warping occurs ( most of the time ) when you take the mold out of the car and start to thicken the project with resin/hardener mixture too hot for the project to handle. Always thicken up the project while inside the mold or the car ( if you can ).



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: mikedawg
Date Posted: June 08, 2004 at 10:03 AM
thanx Velocity. its hard to sound like i know what im talking about with only one star under my name. i usually use a little more hardener when im doing something which wont get a lot of air circulation when the mold is taking shape. the only way its gonna end up weak and brittle is if you dont layer it thick enough or you have a substantial amount of air bubbles. oh and stereoonwheels, just cause its on the internet, doesnt mean its truthful. cause for every site you show me that is wrong, i can show you 2 that are right.

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Posted By: stereoonwheels
Date Posted: June 08, 2004 at 10:22 AM

Velocity Motors is right.  The amount of hardener used definitely depends on the ambient temperature.  But just to give you a general idea of how much to use, take a look at https://mohawkcanoes.com/fgrepair.htm.  At the bottom of the page, there are some tables that not only show mix ratios, but also have some great conversion tables for liters, quarts, ounces, drops, etc.  This is especially helpful when you determine how much hardener you need, you can add it by the teaspoon rather than having to count out a few hundred drops. 





Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: June 08, 2004 at 10:30 AM
There is no set rules on a ratio to use because there are too many other variables to take into consideration. The best thing to do is use use trial and error with small amounts first to see what you are dealing with. After that, start using more resin and increment the hardener accordingly from the small amounts you were using before.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: mikedawg
Date Posted: June 08, 2004 at 11:02 AM
hey stereo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you know alot of websites where the info is published but lets see some of your work. im curious man. i always like to see new ideas.

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Posted By: stereoonwheels
Date Posted: June 08, 2004 at 1:29 PM

This is going to be my last post on this topic because this discussion has been going on way too long.  I find it kind of funny that mikedawg is taking this so personally, that he has to post messages directly to me.  Have you already forgotten about snowdeath, the person who asked the question?  Every one of my posts (with exception of this one) has in some way given snowdeath info pertaining to the question he asked.  The whole point of this forum is to help people out who have questions, not to prove who knows more about what.  I would like to apologize to everyone reading this for starting the argument.  If I hadn't disputed something mikedawg said, this never would have happened.

P.S. Do you really want pics?  I have plenty of them.  None of them were taken on a digital camera, so I can't post them here.  But e-mail me your street address and I'd be glad to mail them to you.  As far as car stereo goes, I only have pics of some sail panel tweeter pods and some modification I did to my stock door panels.  The rest of them will be pictures of boats.  I repaired boats before I ever got into car stereos.  But hey, fiberglass is fiberglass right?





Posted By: mikedawg
Date Posted: June 08, 2004 at 6:44 PM
cool, but im not comfortable giving out my address. my daughter lives with me. fiberglass is fiberglass..true. honestly i think it would be easier to repair a boat hull than to do a complex car part. youre right about this being a helpful forum, but if you give people the wrong info, than what good is it? that was sweet how you apologized to everyone too. dont get so defensive when youre wrong. im wrong sometimes but i learn from it.

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Posted By: drunkenbreaker
Date Posted: June 12, 2004 at 2:15 AM

Snowdeath, post your brand of resin and I can get the exact ratio for you.  Too much hardener only weekens the final product in cases where weight is a factor and you are trying slide by with as little resin as possible.  The strength lies in your strands that is why mat and cloth have strength ratings and resin doesn't.  The recommended temperature on resin is primarily used for determining curing time not final strength.  Stereoonwheels, mikedawg takes it personally because you're responding based off of something he said if you think what I say is wrong I will take it personally.  I also work with fiberglass on a daily basis.  If you need some reassurance on my facts just give my supplier on shopmaninc.com a call he'll tell you exactly what I did.






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