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Forum Name: Fiberglass, Fabrication, and Interiors
Forum Discription: Fiberglass Kick Panels, Subwoofer Enclosures, Plexiglas, Fabrics, Materials, Finishes, etc.
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Topic: Think you know FG?

Posted By: 5150azn
Subject: Think you know FG?
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 12:14 AM

Hey I was hoping you guys that know FG could help me on this little project. I need to make a hollow FG ball about 20 inches in diameter. Must be a perfect ball. the surface doesn't really have to be smooth so I don't plan on using body filler. Hope you guys have suggestions on how to make one!

Thanks in advance guys!

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Posted By: Carbonb
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 1:25 AM
Make a wood frame, pull fabric over the whole thing, hang from a wire.

Staple the fabric down, and then coat, and lay fiberglass then that's it.




Posted By: Jimmyjam
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 4:22 AM
Get one of those beach balls that walmart has in those cages (toy section), glass over it leaving an access hole, then let it cure...when it's dry pop that sucker and pull the ball's skin (hah I said ball skin) out of the access hole, glass the hole over and then you have a hollow fiberglass ball! The idea looks good on paper eh?posted_image




Posted By: Jimmyjam
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 4:24 AM
I can't believe my 1st post was on making a fiberglass ball...sheesposted_image




Posted By: darthness
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 5:46 AM
hah, thats exactly what i was just going to say x_x




Posted By: realitycheck
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 9:10 AM
Thats a dang good idea,  I would have said wood structure too.  But if the plastic ball from wal mart works that would be cool.  Wonder if he can find one 20 inches in diameter though?

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Posted By: branvw
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 9:38 AM
it will not work very well! the FG chemical will warp the plastic ball, you will have to tape it all up or wrap it in foil.  you might find a ball that has a thick enouh plastic you might get lucky and the FG hardens before the ball warps.....but i doubt it.  good luck!




Posted By: realitycheck
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 10:11 AM
Yeah I was just wondering if you might have to cover it in foil, almost edited my post, but I didnt. Dang, should've done it.

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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 11:22 AM
Well, why does it need to be fiberglass? There has to be easier ways to get a 20" ball.

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Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: December 13, 2004 at 8:41 PM
Hey thanks guys! The ball can be made out of anything if you have suggestions. But I thought Fg would be strong and easily made. This is going to be part of a Top Secret project that you guys might see at CES, hopefully if I can figure out this ball. I don't think making a wouldn't frame would make a perfect ball... I think that beach ball might work, guess i'll just have to wrap it with lots of foil. I was thinking of maybe using foam or making 2 half spheres then connecting them together...

Please keep the suggestions comming if you have more I appreciate it!

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Posted By: miglet
Date Posted: December 15, 2004 at 12:45 AM

k.. this is a long shot, but it reminds me of like 1st grade school.

get a balloon, blow it up to your desired size, then paper mache it, and wrap it in a layer of tin foil, then do your fiberglass work.

you can make it any size you want while keeping a realtively good shape (the paper mache also allows you to mold it a bit)

my really f*cked up 2 cents :)





Posted By: Carbonb
Date Posted: December 15, 2004 at 9:16 AM
Are you going to put a sub in a circular enclosure?




Posted By: ~AFAccord~
Date Posted: December 24, 2004 at 12:46 AM

FYI: the walmart ball mentioned earlier is not a regular beach ball.  They are extra heavy so that children can jump on them and stuff.  The plastic is about 3/16"-1/4" thick, and they will work perfect for what ever it is you're trying to achieve, provided you can match the correct size. 

PS. don't ask how I know that lol.



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Posted By: 97Avalonxls
Date Posted: December 24, 2004 at 12:43 PM
use a swiss ball, the exersize one's. they are made of some really tough rubber and come in a variety of sizes. I think you may be able to use one of them. check local sports authority




Posted By: Captanham
Date Posted: December 24, 2004 at 1:05 PM
hey, they had a good point about the plastic ball, and the fact that the resen would prolly eat the sh*t out of the plastic, that stuff is a bitch, but here's an idea, when you mix your resin, do a little bit over on the mek, that will speed up the cure time on it a little bit, and it might give it some time to set up before it tears threw the ball, just an idea

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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: December 24, 2004 at 1:29 PM
How about build a frame out of some wood and cover it in wire mesh or chicken wire? It could get close to a circle.

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Posted By: evol E
Date Posted: December 31, 2004 at 9:21 PM

you wanna know how to do it? I'll tell you how I do it. get your self a big bouncie ball at walmart. get some two part expanding foam. Let all the air out of the ball cut a hole pure the mix in it. LOTS of mix. work the ball out as it expands press it down so the foam mix fills every curve. fill it to the top let it dry wrap it with tape and glass it. the foam keeps the rubber ball from deforming.good luck,have fun and don't get to excited over your big ball. oh yeah if you want the foam out cut it in half and patch it back together when your done.





Posted By: Glowinlow22
Date Posted: January 01, 2005 at 12:15 AM

Actually, the ball idea is a great idea, get yourself 2 balls one small one thats cheap and expendable the other one the correct size, test your resin on the small ball to see what happens, use small amounts, mix it cold, mix it hot and mix it normal to see which works better, the thing you really are wanting to avoid is well 2 things, 1 a chemical reaction with the rubber, and 2 a reaction from the heat of the resin setting, both of these will be very bad and cause horrid end results, mixing your resin so it sets faster will produce more heat which may eat thru the ball that much faster, another thing is that fiberglass most likely wont stick to the ball anyway so the actual chemical reaction with the rubber probably wont happen and the ball will come out rather easy as i've seen resin stick to plastic like crazy but never stick to a trailer tire or anything of that nature if your really smart you'll make a 2 peice mold from this pull as the inside will be just about perfect, make a few little repairs a new coat of resin on the inside to seal the mold and it should be great, then you can make as many of these as you want ;).

J~





Posted By: St. Dark
Date Posted: January 05, 2005 at 4:44 PM
branvw wrote:

it will not work very well! the FG chemical will warp the plastic ball, you will have to tape it all up or wrap it in foil. you might find a ball that has a thick enouh plastic you might get lucky and the FG hardens before the ball warps.....but i doubt it. good luck!


I knew an installer in SW Florida that did just that (it's a veeerrrry long story)- used a beachball to make a spherical enclosure. It did end up being a tad warped as the ball didn't like the resin. (sorta) worked, though.
Hmmm,... you could try waxing the ball (car wax) to see if it resists the resin that way... don't mix it hot though! *L*




Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: May 05, 2005 at 6:21 PM
I forgot to show you guys that I made my fiberglass ball. However I didn't get any pics of the finished finished product being that it belonged to a high profile customer and I respect their privacy. Kinda sucks but you see it in the background.

Read the thread and look at the ball IT WAS A PAIN IN THE BUTT TO MAKE!!! I'LL NEVER MAKE ONE EVER AGAIN!

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thankx dude!

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Posted By: realitycheck
Date Posted: May 06, 2005 at 7:09 AM
Awesome!! You know i was just thinking about this project someday this week. About everyones suggestions on how to make this.

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Posted By: cornfedmancow
Date Posted: May 06, 2005 at 12:38 PM

OK, this wil sound weird, but go to Michaels or Jo Anns Fabrics and get yourself a polystyrene ball, commonly used in crafts.  Coat the thing in foil or other heat resistant tape.  Cut and lay your fleece over it, coat with resin and let harden overnight.  Then cut a small hole in the fleece resin shell and then dissolve the polystyrene with Limonene. What is Limonene? Well it is a biodegradable alternative to degreasers, and is an effective grafitti remover as well.  Search Google for Florida Chemicals or got www.floridachemicals.com. If you are curious about the chemcla, lok for the MSDS sheet for d-limonene.  Limonene is a chemical derived from citrus rinds. Basically, pour the Limonene into the sheel containing the polystyrene foam ball and in a few minutes (or more) if will be dissolved to liquid which can be poured out.

One benefit to this type of polystyrene ball is you can cut it and form it to whatever you want using a "hot wire cutter".  There are ways to make them with a soldering iron and some copper wire.

Good luck.  Also, I think you are making a Sphere for custom sub woofer. The volume of a 20 inch sphere is almost 2 cuft. Nice size for a 12"



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Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: May 06, 2005 at 12:58 PM
I'm done with my project already but I plan on using lots of polystyrene in later projects.

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Posted By: 1st place sound
Date Posted: May 06, 2005 at 9:00 PM
buy a globe and cut it in half. works great  no standing waves best sq.  know put a square box over it and blow everyone away. ask a audio file.

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Posted By: Captanham
Date Posted: May 06, 2005 at 9:40 PM
were can you get polystyrene? is that the stuff you can wire cut to form molds and things like that?

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Posted By: cornfedmancow
Date Posted: May 06, 2005 at 11:10 PM

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OK, Polystyrene comes in various forms. You can buy it retail or you can buy it whole sale in sheets or blocks.  (really big blocks).  There are various weights classes (I.E. 1 lb,  2lb, 3 lb, 5 lb, up to 18 lb which is pretty much indestructable without heat.) Yes all polystyrene can be cut by a hot wire and there are some hot wire cutters outthere which are custom made and ver yexpensive (>$500,000).  The average John Q can make one out of Soldering Iron, copper wire, and a Hook (note hook will get hot too).

Personally, I would not try very complicated molds, your basic sphere, square, ect. are easy, when you get into complex concave and convex curves it gets really tricky.



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Posted By: Captanham
Date Posted: May 06, 2005 at 11:55 PM

well i just want to use it to make some simple dash forms or something (like rear deck form or center counsil) so it's nothing but a few curves really, i'm not doin anything crazy,, how well does this stuff take to the FG, does it melt at all from the FG resin or no? will it warp a lot?     i would think you would oviously have to make sure you didn't mix a really hot resin mixture to ensure that you didn't melt it, but i didn't know if they reacted chemically,

i just think this would be a lot easier then framing everything out of mdf all the time, i HATE working with wood and a jig saw, haha



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Posted By: Captanham
Date Posted: May 06, 2005 at 11:57 PM
AND, do you have any sites or stores that sell this stuff, retail or wholesale?  if not, it's cool, i can look and find it myself i'm sure, i'm just wondrin if you have any recomendations on were to get it for the best price

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Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: May 08, 2005 at 9:35 AM
WalMart, arts and crafts, floral section.

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Posted By: 5150azn
Date Posted: May 08, 2005 at 11:15 AM
Whats the experiance with sanding polystyrene to get a perfect shape?

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Posted By: klee1981
Date Posted: May 09, 2005 at 1:28 AM

Ive sanded it with an air sander, and small disk, to form a hand to fill a glove to fiberglass for a craft project for my mom.

But I never thought I could apply it to MY hobby (car Audio.)  Awesome.

Kevin



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