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Forum Discription: Fiberglass Kick Panels, Subwoofer Enclosures, Plexiglas, Fabrics, Materials, Finishes, etc.
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Topic: copying trim panel

Posted By: tbone31
Subject: copying trim panel
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 9:42 PM

okay so heres the trim panel,

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its out of the rear hatch of my grand cherokee, the curved skinny piece contours forward to the bottom of the rear door jamb, when i replace the whole panel with my sub encloser i want this piece to still be there without hacking up the original panel. here's my questions. do i just mold each side and sandwich them together then fiberglass the new piece to the sub encloser? if so, do i need to tape the area i wish to mold or can i just use a release agent and fiberglass over the plastic panel?

thanks for the help guys.

Tom



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Posted By: younguru
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 4:59 PM
sandwich yes i would tape it and a foil it that way u don't mess up the panel

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Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 6:44 PM
exactly as i figured just waiing for the first side to cure.   thanks for the help.



Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: March 26, 2006 at 1:48 AM
allright so ive got the mold of one waiting for the other to cure, what's the best way to join them? put a coat of resin and stick em together? or what?



Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 26, 2006 at 12:51 PM
If you want to join the fiberglass mold that you made to the exissting panel you can use nut & bolts. Is this what your asking about ?

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA



Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: March 26, 2006 at 2:30 PM
no, i have the top and bottom pieces of the mold done, i need to sandwich them together, do i just coat one side with resin and hardener then stick em together? it may be a dumb question.



Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 26, 2006 at 10:09 PM
Still not understanding what your doing, but if you want to stick two fiberglass peices together you need resin & matting to make a solid bond. Just using resin isn;t strong enough & will crack over time.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA



Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: March 27, 2006 at 5:19 PM
i think i understand.   but just to double check, i was making a copy of the trim panel, i need half of it. so like instructed i glassed one side, pulled it off, then glassed the other side, now i need to sandwich them together to make the trim panel. so just applyig resin is no good? what do you suggest a layer of mat and then stick them together?



Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 27, 2006 at 10:26 PM
Yes, the resin alone will only attach them until vibration sets in and it will crack the resin like peanut brittle. Using a layer or matting will add strength to the structure and will also bond the two peices together

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA



Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: March 27, 2006 at 11:44 PM
perfect thanks alot man. im just starting to make up my amplifier racks they are gonna be mounted on each side on the rear pillars in this location.
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they are 1001bd's one on each side. ive got the mdf secured onto the panel by dowel rods, and im gonna stretch the fabric tommorow, do you think it will look better sitting on the plate, or kinda sunk in? if you understand if not ill try and post some pics of what i mean.



Posted By: xkuco
Date Posted: March 28, 2006 at 10:51 AM
i know im probably retarded for asking this but whats 1001 bd's????? and could u take a picture of the panel off to see how u mounted the piece ive been following this project just trying to learn thanks man

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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 28, 2006 at 11:23 AM

tbone31 wrote:
perfect thanks alot man. im just starting to make up my amplifier racks they are gonna be mounted on each side on the rear pillars in this location. 

they are 1001bd's one on each side. ive got the mdf secured onto the panel by dowel rods, and im gonna stretch the fabric tommorow, do you think it will look better sitting on the plate, or kinda sunk in? if you understand if not ill try and post some pics of what i mean.

I've always been a fan of flush mounting the equipment if all possible. Mounting on just the plate look unfinished to me unless cost factor is involved and the customer doesn't want to pay for the extra. In your case I would flush mount the RF's but the shape of the amp is going to give you some grief.



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA



Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 28, 2006 at 11:27 AM

xkuco] wrote:
know im probably retarded for asking this but whats 1001 bd's????? and could u take a picture of the panel off to see how u mounted the piece ive been following this project just trying to learn thanks man

The 1001BD's are Rockford Fosgate's monoblock amplifier's



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA



Posted By: xkuco
Date Posted: March 28, 2006 at 12:45 PM
oh ok u still gonna take off the piece to take pictures of coarse if u have too take it off to finish it is what im saying????

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Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 10:48 PM
hey sorry guys, been real busy went out east for a while, then had to study for exams well today was a nice day so i got started on the interior mold, i dunno if im doing this the right way but im sure you guys can tell me. the amplifier racks are coming along nicely they are gonna look sick.

and xkuco sorry i got carried away and covered the racks before taking pics of how they are mounted.

basically i made a rack to fit my amp out of wood. i then used dowel rods to set it to the angle i wanted it to be at. then i wraped them in cloth and went from there.
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Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 10:54 PM
oh tommorow i will take some pics of the amp racks mounted so you can get an idea of how they will work.

so do I go ahead and pull the mold out in the morning and then start by building a skelaton to get the shape I want? also should i lay a layer of glass of the wood or just the joints? any advice apreciated thanks guys.



Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 8:26 PM
allright well i kept going figured i was okay, stupid me never finished the mounting rings or else i would have started to mount them then get an idea of how the box will look, spent alot of time also figuring out how im going to run my power wire and stuff might have to cut into the metal....

mold came out perfect no spills i was pumped.
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heres how the amp looks and where it will go
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side shot
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picture of mold trimmed and amp rack placement, any tips on where to run the wires??



Posted By: crazyoldcougar
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 8:27 PM

i would leave it in to build the skeleton...the more you pull it in and out the better the chances of it warping...how many layers of glass you have down on the back side there?? aim for 7 or more...

next step is to set your speaker rings...angles and what not..after you have thos located you can figure out what you need for skeletal structure..you may not need any...for the most part they are going to come off the speaker and work outward...unless you want some funky shapes in the face of your box...but like i said you may be able to just stretch fabric over it and be done with it..

no need to coat the wood...there will be the most microscopic air leakage through the wood...but it is nothing to worry about...just make sure the joints are built up..2" overlap should be sufficient...i have even gone so far as to "caulk" the joint between MDF and glass with kitty hair then lay a layer or two of mat over it...



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Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 8:34 PM
sorry one of the pics didnt post, can you edit posts if so how, so far i have five layers of glass and it passes the thumb test should i go to 7?

heres the pic that didnt post think i will have enough room to port for 32-35 hz? my subs say for ported 1.75ft3 to 4.00ft3 ?
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Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: April 23, 2006 at 12:14 AM
i guess ill keep posting my progress here is there any way to edit the title of this post? anyways
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got the rings mounted it was hard to get them lined up so they were at the same angle even though they are mounted at diffent heights.
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after a few small mods i wrapped the box in fleece i was happy that i got no wrinkles at all i plan on smoothing the lines from the amp down to the box so it looks seamless but will be two different parts and here it is soaked in resin
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and here it is with 2 layers of glass..
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untill tommorow




Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: April 24, 2006 at 10:27 PM
Nobody else said it....so I will!   "That sure is pretty fleece you have there!!!!"  Just kidding.  Looks like now is the time to cut one of the speaker holes and fill the enclosure with foam beads to determine the approximate volume eh?  Just looked at your pix again...  I thought you were going to join the amp rack and enclosure all in one unit?....  maybe I read it wrong or got some other posts mixed up.  Good work....keep rollin....



Posted By: pmendoza408
Date Posted: April 25, 2006 at 12:11 AM
man looks like a lot of work. You gona have to be careful for theifs having that in sight.



Posted By: dragon51
Date Posted: April 25, 2006 at 6:11 AM
Looks good can't wait to see the final pice



Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: April 26, 2006 at 3:38 PM
yeah well i have dark tinted windows and my neighborhood it pretty safe so hope its allright, it will be tough to yank out. the way i built it the sub box goes in bolts in to the truck then subs get screwed in then spider grills get screwed in so i will just put different screws on the subs and the grills, then the amp rack is screwed in, plus i utilized the stock clips then another trim piece clips on top of that then the amp is screwed to the rack, then the end caps cover those screws. i plan on smoothing the lines from the amp rack down to the sub box so it likes like its all one piece , ill get pics later of what i mean.



Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: April 26, 2006 at 11:34 PM

Sounds good!  So, that way your wiring is hidden?  Maybe I missed something, so Ill ask anyway.  How did you finish the enclosure out?  --> Paint? Vinyl? 




Posted By: pmendoza408
Date Posted: April 27, 2006 at 12:58 AM
man that is the way to think. You got your stuff down.



Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: April 27, 2006 at 4:39 PM
not sure on the paint scheme yet, not even close yet to that, won't get much done for the next week cause im busy, but i was thinking of A) matching the interior trim colur b) a high gloss black( would look nice with the chrome)
c) match the exterior white    i plan on photoshoping the different colors and see what i like when its done.   and yes all wires are hidden.



Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: April 29, 2006 at 7:51 PM
Cool, wires hidden!  I like the chrome and black idea of yours, sounds sick!  Sorry I didnt pay attention if you stated the colors of your original interior characteristics.  Also cool if you paint the amplifier (between the cooling fins, ect.), as well as the speaker cones in contrast with the interior.



Posted By: mouglie
Date Posted: April 30, 2006 at 4:27 AM
more pictures!!!

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Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: May 01, 2006 at 9:35 AM
im glad you guys like my fabric, as you can imagine it was the cheapest they had and stretches awesome. i told the lady at walmart i was making new pants lol. anyways as requested more pics.

test fit after a quick sand and some kitty hair reinforcement along any seams inside.

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same thing view from the side

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view with the amp in too, had to sand the amp rack down alot on the bottom to get it to fit i had it so tight in there, now i gotta figure how to get the 2 to flow together.

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another angle

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different angle

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test fitting the subs

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good thing i measured correctly cause she's a tight fit. anyone know if i can sand the soundstream off the grill gaurds or buffing it off? i don't have any soundstream stuff so it looks kinda doodiety

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Posted By: mouglie
Date Posted: May 06, 2006 at 12:50 AM

dude the fit on that box is madly insane, does the tailgate close fine?

Imagine if you were to make another enclosure like that one for the other side, lol...



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I shall never outrun my guardian angel - again.



Posted By: tbone31
Date Posted: May 06, 2006 at 6:58 PM
yeah man she fits like a glove, i am planning on making a box for the other side once i get some more funds the fiberglass alot more expensive then i first thought.    thanks for the comments.



Posted By: primal impulse
Date Posted: May 16, 2006 at 10:34 PM
t-bone make sure you keep us posted on the progress...i wanna see it when its painted :)

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