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Fiberglass Piller Pod?

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Forum Name: Fiberglass, Fabrication, and Interiors
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Printed Date: April 28, 2024 at 9:16 PM


Topic: Fiberglass Piller Pod?

Posted By: x2jesse1x
Subject: Fiberglass Piller Pod?
Date Posted: March 31, 2006 at 4:22 PM

I am making a Triple Gauge piller pod for my 00+ impala.(They currently do not make one for my year yet). So im basically looking for advice to see if im doing this right, This is by far not my first fiberglass project. I have herd many things about fiberglass and plastic not sticking and I want to make this a one time deal. This is essentially what I did.

1st: I took the stock piller out of the car and sanded it all down with a low grit sand paper.( To rough it up)

2nd: I took the donor piller pod that  I had left over from my last car(cavalier), Measured it up and marked where I wanted it to go. I cut the pod to size. and screwed it onto the piller so it didnt move around.

3rd: I used some body filler around the edges to make it smooth and make it look like it was supposed to be there. I sanded the crap out of the body filler so it was even with the pod.

4th: I layed some Fiberglass Cloth all around the edges of the piller pod. The fiberglass cloth is layed really smooth. No air bubbles. I just dont want it to come off of the piller. I want a good adhesion.

 

Now I didnt sand the fiberglass yet, I also didnt rap the fiberglass around the piece onto the otherside. Im not sure if I should have. Here is some pics. any help would be great.

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Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: March 31, 2006 at 6:26 PM
ok, if that is just one layer of cloth, then it looks like a huge pool of resin.... maybe it is just the lighting.  Scuffing up the plastic should help, but if you could have wrapped it around the edges a little, that would have been better.  Pretty much as soon as the plastic bends all the fiberglass is going to pop off because fiberglass is stiff and the plastic isnt and they dont adhere well to begin with.  So if you can slap it back up there without bending it and then never bend it.... you'll be ok

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fiberglass reminds me of peanut brittle... but fiberglass tastes better!




Posted By: mikek3
Date Posted: March 31, 2006 at 11:07 PM
OK




Posted By: mikek3
Date Posted: March 31, 2006 at 11:29 PM
OK here we go. You started off on the right path but then well. Anyway. leave what you have and clean up those loose edges.Then cut up some mat ( 1oz. or woven mat ) in 1" to 2" strips. Differ the lenghts .Spray some PAM cooking oil on the gauge pods ( dont let the PAM get on the fiberglass you laid already ). Now lay down 2 layers of mat over the pods laping the new glass with the old 1"-2"  let cure and pop the fiber glass from the pillar (THATS WHAT YOU WANT ). K, now add 2-3 more layers of 1"-2" mat strips to the inside of the fiberglass pillar. Add the mount with fiberglass or epoxy. let all cure. Then smooth up the hole the iwth kitty hair and bodyfiller smooth to 400grit -600grit for vinyl wrap. IF PAINTING it get the primer very smooth 1500grit- 2000grit. add color and wet sand. Add clear and wet sand. AND BINGO YOU GOT ONE TRICKED PILLAR. 




Posted By: x2jesse1x
Date Posted: March 31, 2006 at 11:50 PM
Ok thanks guys. Them pics were actually bad. I only put 2 layers of fiberglass on the piller. There is no resin puddles on the piller at all. Also Im not sure if MIKEK3 was thinking I made a mold of the pods? They were originally an actual piller pod cut to fit my application. So I dont really want to put any fiberglass on the pods themself, I only wanted to mold the pods/piller together? Im going to attempt to wrap some fiberglass around the edges of the piller.




Posted By: x2jesse1x
Date Posted: April 02, 2006 at 9:54 PM
Any help would be great!




Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: April 03, 2006 at 12:38 AM

First, heres a bit of useless information.  I used to have that same design of bedspread...um, nevermind.

Heres how Ive been fabricating my components.  https://glassmanscustomforum.com/v-web/gallery/album1996?page=1  I dont start the same way this individual did in this case, but the concept is top notch.  I start by covering the complete pillar, therefore creating a replacement pillar completely fabricated of FG mat, note his first picture is only a part of a pillar.  Separate the pillar and your FG pillar, cut off the excess, deburr the edges, and TEST-FIT the component.  You can place your prefab pods anyway you like as this guy and I do with our PVC (pics 2-6).  I only cover what I need with the thin stretchy polyester cloths, attaching it with 2 part glues covering the pods as the pics show.  Also glue the faces of the PVC on the gauge side.  Saturate with resin, let cure.  Scuff all FG surfaces with rough grit (from 36 to 80 grit) sandpaper.  Use body filler in areas that require build up/contour.  Use a filler grater to remove excess and shape the areas as needed.  Scuff / smooth the area with 100-300 grit.  Use glaze putty (Rage Gold/ or whatever) to fill the small imperfections and such.  Prep-prime-prep again-paint/vinyl/carpet/upholster the new pillar .  Install gauges, wire them, and install.





Posted By: mikek3
Date Posted: April 03, 2006 at 2:06 AM

Thats what I was gettin at. BUT, you explained it much better. there is no reason to keep the FG attached to the factory piiiar.





Posted By: x2jesse1x
Date Posted: April 03, 2006 at 2:52 PM

Yeah well I want it to clip in like stock so I want to use to stock piller and the gauge pod that I have made. I just need to attach them together. I dont want it to look custom. I am a little confused because both of you want me to make a mold and i just want to mold it together.





Posted By: x2jesse1x
Date Posted: April 03, 2006 at 3:06 PM
If im reading this wrong then please tell me..lol
I want to MOLD them together NOT make a mold




Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: April 03, 2006 at 8:29 PM
No, its all cool, you read me right.  Either way, it wont be too hard to complete what youve already started.  You may have to deal with a few issues later in its life being  that the FG/plastic combination could separate, thats all.  One thing that you probably should do.... lets back-track a few steps in the past.  When you applied the pods to the factory pillar, drilling a good number of small holes around the area would have helped give the FG mat/resin something to adhere to.  I have noted that using a small (? 1/32 ?) drill bit and drill a multitude of holes all over the part, or at least the area FG will be applied.  When the resin flows through these holes it serves as an anchor.  Um, I just winged that bit of information, but I hoped it help shed a little more light in the direction you have already taken that way you havent wasted any time with what you already have.  Good luck in which ever way to take, keep us posted and keep the questions rollin if needed.




Posted By: x2jesse1x
Date Posted: April 03, 2006 at 10:07 PM
ok man thanks




Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: April 04, 2006 at 12:27 PM
I drilled a whole lot of 1/32 holes in one of my door pod projects and the resin just snapped off at the holes, so I wouldn't even say that would work too good.  Someone once said put a bunch of screws in the door and then the fg will hold on to the screws, that sounds like a pretty good idea.

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fiberglass reminds me of peanut brittle... but fiberglass tastes better!




Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: April 04, 2006 at 8:03 PM

Sure, whatever works.  Im glad you brought the size of 1/32 up.  I was looking at  my drill bin and saw the 1/32 bit and realized I should have recommended a larger size!  Depending on the location and the nature of the finished product, I dont like to deal with the bumps that the screw heads create.  This method alleviates that issue, using larger holes.  

.....im recalling....the story I wrote earlier regarding building a mock up/replica of the factory panel...which avoids this whole problem.....





Posted By: x2jesse1x
Date Posted: April 04, 2006 at 9:44 PM

I kno torquehead tried to tell me to just make a replacment piller instead of doing it the way im doing, But I really want the factory feel and I want it to be able to clip into place like stock so Im Hell bent on doing it my wayposted_image.

Currently I have it fiberglassed but its not wrapped around the edges so im going to wrap the piece in polyester cloth and fiberglass it again.





Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: April 05, 2006 at 6:24 PM

Its cool, and still a good idea, youll have the factory mounting method as well....it should remain a perfect fit.  Beforehand, I didnt know it was your personal requirement to use the factory peice.  Your project is all about you, its supposed to be your way, youll appreciate it more. 

I know plenty people dont think my was is easier, and its often that its not easier, I sometimes like it that way!  This also ensures that I get the hard-to-do jobs that even the local fabrication shops dont want to touch.  Its just the extent of my projects being intricate keeps my portfolio revolving.  So...im just trying to help.

Oh, careful when wrapping the plastic panel in fleece tightly.  Sometimes the fleece pulls the part out of its intended alignment.  When its cured in that warped shape, it could crack when its flexed back into original shape during mounting....or a bit after. 

Got more pix yet?





Posted By: x2jesse1x
Date Posted: April 05, 2006 at 8:10 PM
Thanks Torquehead I appriciate all of your help. I am currently sanding down the fiberglass that I layed the first time around and I am going to wrap the piece prob. tomorrow at the latest. Ill get pics when it is wrapped and ready from the final layer of glass. Hope it works. thanks again




Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: April 05, 2006 at 9:32 PM
I think you'll be ok, it's not like there is a whole bunch of movement in the pillars or anything, I am looking forward to sanded pictures!

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fiberglass reminds me of peanut brittle... but fiberglass tastes better!




Posted By: x2jesse1x
Date Posted: April 05, 2006 at 10:25 PM

Well Hear is a little Preview of how it started up till today...

I was originally going to make the pods out of Fiberglass then i decided differently

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Old cavalier Piller pod

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I had to cut the cavalier piller pod and heat it with a heat gun and shape the pods to the impala piller. Filled the edges with body filler then fiberglassed over it

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Sanded the crap out of it, But as you all know I forgot to wrap the edges

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Im going to be finish sanding tomorrow then wrapping the whole thing in some stretchy poly clothe . Ill post pics tomorrow of it wrapped 





Posted By: x2jesse1x
Date Posted: April 08, 2006 at 5:03 PM
Yeah I just wanted to tell you guys that I am unsure about finishing this project. Im thinking about selling the car now




Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: April 09, 2006 at 8:42 PM
Huh.....what thu......well, it happens.




Posted By: miamistyle84
Date Posted: May 04, 2006 at 8:10 PM

hey Torquehead what size pvc pipe did u use for the gauges?



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Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: May 05, 2006 at 6:09 PM

I use whatever size is closest to the diameter of the body of the gauge, but the PVC must be larger.  I first measure the length of the PVD that is required and leave a bit extra for mounting error....the ultimate length is determined by test-fitting the PVC.  Then if the PVC is too large in diameter I just simply cut it length-wise on one side the full length of the PVC pipe, then cut some width out of it.  I then use some hose clamps to close the gap.  While the PVC is clamped, I use a heat gun to relax the PVC.  Glue the PVC gap together.  You then have a perfect fitting for your gauges.

Picture this.  If your on the economy side of life.  Get some of the largest diameter of PVC.  Split it as explained above.  Use a heat gun to roll it out flat.  Hot glue all of the gauges at one end.  Use heat to fold the other half of the PVC over onto the top of the gauges so that they are wrapped.  If required, cut more PVC, flatten it, and use permanent glue to completely enclose the wrap and let cool.  Remove the gauges so that you can use the molded PVC into your "ONE-OFF" fabrication.  If your not on the economy side, buy a sheet of ABS and apply the relative method.

Point of my story, answering your question....I use....whatever is needed to closely fit the gauges.






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