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Forum Name: Fiberglass, Fabrication, and Interiors
Forum Discription: Fiberglass Kick Panels, Subwoofer Enclosures, Plexiglas, Fabrics, Materials, Finishes, etc.
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Topic: Excess fleece

Posted By: judgedread
Subject: Excess fleece
Date Posted: August 18, 2006 at 3:02 PM

What do i do with the excess fleece on the sides of my box. The fleece overfolds on the sides like a curtain. I havent applied resin yet or staple/glued the fleece to the box just yet. But my preliminary cover with the fleece shows im gonna have too much.



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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: August 18, 2006 at 3:43 PM

are the sides going to be shown? if they are there is a little more work involved. You have to staple the fleece down to the box on the sides as cloe to the edge as possible. The generously apply your resin. Then you have to go back and lay fiberglass matting along that same crease but on the inside of the box for added strength. Once everything is hardened and strong, go back with a vary course sanding disc or grinder and grind off the extra fleece with reisin in it to make that side of the box flat again.

If the side is not going to be shown, just staple the fleece down and resin it. dont worry abotu the way it looks.

There might be a better way of doing it but thats how I do it.





Posted By: crazyoldcougar
Date Posted: August 18, 2006 at 9:46 PM
rabbit the edges of the box...that way you have somewhere to staple and it will be recessed, enough that you can build it up to match perfectly with edges of the MDF...without haveing to worry about grinding it down...and make it a weak point..

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Posted By: judgedread
Date Posted: August 18, 2006 at 9:48 PM
thanx, i was just thinking about cutting the excess and then super glueing into one., anymore suggestions are welcome.




Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: August 18, 2006 at 10:12 PM
the rabbit idea is a good one. thanks cougar, forgot about that one




Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: August 18, 2006 at 11:45 PM
no matter how you do it, id still recommend using FG matte on the inside crease for added strength.




Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: August 18, 2006 at 11:51 PM

Cougar beat me to it!  Definately, rabbiting the edges is the fix before its an issue at all.  Also, as Nouseforaname said, bury the excess in the rabbited edge...so...

Add this to your mental data-base:  A box we built only required a small section of FG to curve deep into the box to feature a face of an amplifier and a 8 inch sub...together.  Kinda hard to explain the look.  Anyways, it was pointless none the less to fiberglass the whole side of the box just to make this indentation.  So, a rectangular hole was cut to allow fitment.  Then about 1 inch around each side of the rectangle hole I use a router to cut a "trench" as if it were a moat for the hole.  I used a

router bit like this oneposted_imageto cut only 3/8 inch deep.  I stapled the cloth as close to the inside of this router cut "trench" as possible.  When I cut the excess polyester fleece cloth, I lay the excess that passes the staples down into the "trench".  I applied the resin to the cloth.  After the cloth is saturated, I pour the rest of the resin into the trench to fill it, along with the excess cloth.  When this is final it finishes off flush with the original surface, easier to smooth out overall which relieves you of the useless voids you have to sand, sand, sand....





Posted By: judgedread
Date Posted: August 19, 2006 at 6:05 PM
thanx for the help, but it panned out for me just going through the motions. Im  applying resin tomorrow any tips.




Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: August 19, 2006 at 6:58 PM
ya small sections at a time. Use a 2" paint brush to dab the resin on so not to creat bubbles.




Posted By: judgedread
Date Posted: August 19, 2006 at 7:11 PM
to late for that, i applied resin today and only got about 95% of the box done. the first batch i mixed was good i guess because the second one hardened up on me. This stuff gets really hot and have pics for you guys to see When Applying Resin Goes Badposted_image. So i guess im gonna have to buy some resin tomorrow and finish up the rest of the box. Tuesday i will be applying the mat and hopefully that goes according to plan. Any tips are greatly appreciated.




Posted By: judgedread
Date Posted: August 19, 2006 at 7:38 PM
One more question, is my box supposed to get really hard or semi-hard, because right now its still flexible like it was before i applied resin. its been about 45 minutes.




Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: August 20, 2006 at 12:10 AM

Its supposed to get hard.  But, its initially only going to get as hard as the type and thickness of fleece cloth you used....(i.e. if you use thin cloth, it will only soak up so much resin....if you use thick fleece it will soak up much more and be harder).  But, it sounds as if your may be already beyond that point...so, when you add layers of FG mat or FG woven cloth with more FG resin it gets even more hard if you have mixed the resin as "hot" as it should be for the temperature and humidity in your area.  Ultimately, the "Shade Tree" fabricator's test is: "If you can stand on it without it breaking, its strong enough!", and there is also the thumb test....  Read this: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=42117&PN=1.  Jason of CarAudioHelp.com sent the link in this post to Jeff / Velocity with good explanation.  Jason has been a great source of basic and advanced information that can take you from rookie to....well, as far as your capabilities can go. 

I / we would love to see the photos of your first try.  I wont be laughing as others may, because I remember my "back then" jobs.  lol  But, the pics would be a great influence for other beginners to see and learn from another beginner.





Posted By: judgedread
Date Posted: August 20, 2006 at 9:02 PM
I read in another thread that the bondo resin isnt good and that in between layers of mat i will have to sand, why is that, why would i have to sand in between layers.




Posted By: judgedread
Date Posted: August 20, 2006 at 9:06 PM
wheres the edit button when you need one. Is an fiberglass roller really important, i cant find one at home depot, meijer, or walmart. and i dont wanna wait five days by ordering one off ebay.




Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: August 21, 2006 at 3:46 AM

Oh boy, that "Roller" topic again!  You sand between layers of FG mat/resin because when it cures a bi-product is formed as wax which does not allow good adhesion to the next layer, thats been the argument.  This wax is caused by "cheaper" resin.  Use marine grade to avoid this, but dont dwell on it, what you have will work just fine.  I dont always follow this depending on the situation, because of past posts Ive been involved in.... Ill stay reserved on this issue.  But, as far as the FG roller, you more than likely going to be ordering it.  Its only important when you need one. 

So, your using FG mat?  Did you read where everyone tears the FG mat into peices?  Apply the resin on your "pre-cured" fleece, then slap on the ripped FG mat, apply more resin on the mat to wet it out...doing each piece like this.  When "wetting" or "saturating"  the FG mat, your making sure resin is pressed into the mat with your brush as well as making sure there are no excessive bubbles.  If you have done this, you have no real reason to require a FG roller.





Posted By: judgedread
Date Posted: August 21, 2006 at 2:28 PM

i havent matted yet, i will tomorrow,

I guess ill have to stick to Bondo Resin, i found a place that has Rage Gold Body Filler so i guess im good on the bodyfiller, but my resin isnt so good. Im gonna buy the black decker sander, but which one should i use the 4-in-1 below or the smaller one below that, Its a ten dollar difference between the two.

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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: August 21, 2006 at 2:47 PM
for "sanding" resin, its best to use a grinder of some sort. Personally I have a 36 grit sanding disc attachment for my drill. Works great. Once you use that to knock down the bumps and high spots, you can go back over it with the higher grits.




Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: August 21, 2006 at 6:36 PM

Sonata's got it right.....use something that will knock the surface down if your going to do it at all.  The sanders you pictured dont have much movement. 

Yeah, your good with the Rage filler.  But to smooth the Rage, those sanders may work ok if you dont have an air type DA.





Posted By: modena0
Date Posted: August 21, 2006 at 8:57 PM
i like to use a grinding wheel on an angle grinder myself. you just have to be a little more careful not to take too much off.

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Posted By: judgedread
Date Posted: August 21, 2006 at 10:18 PM
what grinder do you guys prefer.




Posted By: snyderman5
Date Posted: August 21, 2006 at 11:50 PM
I use an air grinder with the roloc disks

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Posted By: torquehead
Date Posted: August 22, 2006 at 11:02 PM
I use two like the one snyderman5 provided a picture of.  One is electric, the other is air operated.  They work great!




Posted By: judgedread
Date Posted: August 23, 2006 at 12:52 AM
so grinders are used for resin and sanders are used for body fillersposted_image





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