need advice on mismatched components
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Topic: need advice on mismatched components
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Subject: need advice on mismatched components
Date Posted: March 04, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Right now I am rolling low-budget, just trying to get something that works and sounds half decent for now. Basically I had one Kappa Perfect 6 seize up out of warranty and crossover is damaged because of improper install (thought he shop claims it magically came unmounted). I found myself between a rock and a hard place and on a budget. Saving up for nice components, but can't afford it quite yet. I will tell you what I have now! Two old school RF mids (two different models, but all same power ratings, mounting depth, etc) One is RFR-1406 one is PWR-64. I am not going to list all the specs since this thread isn't at all about amping speakers. Two Infinity Kappa Perfect Tweets An Orion 200CRX crossover Now here is my question. What do I do? Also I found a pair of CDT Audio Satnet 400 2 way crossovers on clearance. Here is a link from the auction, it has a lot of info on the crossovers. https://item.express./dll?ExpressItem&item=110229279556&pid=&wlid=3411358&wlitemid=8077658 Can I use the Orion 200 CRX or is that CDT a nice passive crossover and I should go with that?
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Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 05, 2008 at 1:25 AM
the problem with running mismatched passive xovers is that the xover point changes with the precise impedence of the speaker - umm - however - b/c of situations like urs I've actually ended up doing this - with some pretty good results in some cases, in fact, it is usually CDT passives I end up mismatching. ur link isn't working for me - but if your expectations aren't for laser precise response - go ahead and grab the CDT passives - I think u'll end up with something very listenable. ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 05, 2008 at 3:31 AM
If you go to E-Bay, then click on Express, then type in CDT crossovers...There is only one. The person has 12 of them. What do you think about those specifically??? They look rediculous for the price. I will wait for your response and maybe one or two others and if they response is a consistent "go" then I will do it. I do have the Orion 200 CRX crossover, too, which I have absolutely no clue how that works! lol On a side note there are some slammin good deals on E-Bay express. They have the PG Comp Ti 6s for $130 for just the woofers. PG told me today that their DRS (or something like that) component that they make currently uses the same tweeters and that the woofer by far they don't make anything comperable anymore. I don't really have the money, but it is tempting me hard at that price! lol.
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 06, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Yea for $30 those xovers are a steal. Grab 'em. bmrsnr303 wrote:
They have the PG Comp Ti 6s for $130 for just the woofers
yea I've used the 5-1/4 and the 6-1/2 version of these mids - *nice* gear. I run the 6-1/2 midwoofer with a 100hz-4khz bandpass with some really impressive results. They aren't really output monsters, but the detail and SQ is unreal - after dynamatting the door skin, they play down to 50hz flawlessly - these speakers are *really* nice. Hand-made in Isreal, too. HOWEVER - I'm not shure that the $160 you'll spend on the CDT's AND the PG's wouldn't be better spent on a matched componet set - your getting to the point where you could grab a quality matched componet set, like say the JL Audio VR series componets - my perennial recommendation for componet speakers - here I would imagine a superior choice to mismatching a bunch of different gear. ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 06, 2008 at 10:59 AM
[QUOTE=sedate] Yea for $30 those xovers are a steal. Grab 'em. [QUOTE] Alright, I will grab them. They actually are from an authorized dealer and have a warranty! [QUOTE=sedate] [HOWEVER - I'm not shure that the $160 you'll spend on the CDT's AND the PG's wouldn't be better spent on a matched componet set - your getting to the point where you could grab a quality matched componet set, like say the JL Audio VR series componets - my perennial recommendation for componet speakers - here I would imagine a superior choice to mismatching a bunch of different gear. [QUOTE] The only reason I was thinking about buying the PG woofers is because I talked to PG the other day and: They don't make nearly the same quality woofers anymore (I agree, but it was PG tech that said this) BUT they are using the same tweeters in one of their current series, so the tweeters shouldn't be that hard to find. So in reality, even if I do it once piece at a time (only have to pay a bit of money at a time), I should be able to put together the PG component set as it was sold. Now give that info what do you think???
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 06, 2008 at 11:00 AM
sedate wrote:
Yea for $30 those xovers are a steal. Grab 'em. bmrsnr303 wrote:
They have the PG Comp Ti 6s for $130 for just the woofers
yea I've used the 5-1/4 and the 6-1/2 version of these mids - *nice* gear. I run the 6-1/2 midwoofer with a 100hz-4khz bandpass with some really impressive results. They aren't really output monsters, but the detail and SQ is unreal - after dynamatting the door skin, they play down to 50hz flawlessly - these speakers are *really* nice. Hand-made in Isreal, too. HOWEVER - I'm not shure that the $160 you'll spend on the CDT's AND the PG's wouldn't be better spent on a matched componet set - your getting to the point where you could grab a quality matched componet set, like say the JL Audio VR series componets - my perennial recommendation for componet speakers - here I would imagine a superior choice to mismatching a bunch of different gear.
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 06, 2008 at 1:52 PM
bmrsnr03 wrote:
even if I do it once piece at a time (only have to pay a bit of money at a time), I should be able to put together the PG component set as it was sold. Now give that info what do you think???
Um - well can u get the PG xover as well? If not this probably a waste of resources. The xover is a criical componet of the system sound - responsible for not just the xover point, but the slope and voicing of the componet system. Again - I'm not sure I'd go about it this way... ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 06, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Yes, I can get the crossover, too. The tweeter in the PG RSD series (a current series) is actually NOT the same, but very similar I was told. I can get the exact tweeter from PG, though. They have Each tweeter for $45/ea and there is only one crossover that is $75. I can actually put together the individual pieces for less than if I bought the component set. I am student and only work part-time right now so I am on a big time budget. I have disposable income, sure, but it is only so much at a time. PG Ti-6 woofers= $140 PG Tweeters $100 PG Ti-6 crossover=$85 I think the complete set is $350. Also, if I really wanted to I am sure I could save another $20-$30 by just using the RSD tweeter (since complete component RSD sets are like $70-$80 on EBay) People use...well maybe not different crossovers...but different tweeters all the time on here it seems like. Is that only with active crossovers? Because as I mentioned i have a Orion 200 CRX and I have acess to a Orion 300 CRX
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 07, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Haha yea I cobbled my system together waiting tables at an Italian resturant. Everytime I had money to fix one problem - something else broke. bmr]Th wrote:
y have Each tweeter for $45/ea and there is only one crossover that is $75.
Sounds good to me - but I'd go with the proper tweeter. bmr]bu wrote:
different tweeters all the time on here it seems like. Is that only with active crossovers
Probably - I'd be surpised if the experienced members on this board run a matched xover and mid with a different tweeter. . . I mean - I run an active setup with the JL VR tweet and the PG TI elite 6-1/2 mid . . . but again - no xover for me. . . bmr]Be wrote:
ause as I mentioned i have a Orion 200 CRX and I have acess to a Orion 300 CRX
I dunno what these are link to the product pages. ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 08, 2008 at 9:58 AM
sedate wrote:
Haha yea I cobbled my system together waiting tables at an Italian resturant. Everytime I had money to fix one problem - something else broke. Sounds good to me - but I'd go with the proper tweeter Probably - I'd be surpised if the experienced members on this board run a matched xover and mid with a different tweeter. . I mean - I run an active setup with the JL VR tweet and the PG TI elite 6-1/2 mid . . . but again - no xover for me. . ..
You area probably right. I was thinking of running an active crossover, though. That is what the Orion 200 CRX is. https://www.OrionCarAudio.com/Support/Manuals/Accessories/Orion%20200CRX%20Installation%20Manual.pdf The above link has most all Orion acessories from that gen including the 200 CRX and 3oo CRX both.
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: March 08, 2008 at 11:06 AM
James... Tell 'em to fix their front page! Grammatical and punctuation errors, and most especially the use of "your" when they mean you're, a.k.a. "you are". Idiots. Seems they need a better web designer - one with SPELL CHECK!
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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 08, 2008 at 3:24 PM
bmr]I wrote:
was thinking of running an active crossover, though. That is what the Orion 200 CRX is.
Wow that PDF is hard to read - uh - yea go active dude. That 200CRX looks like it would be a fine solution - two way your highs (maybe3khz @ 12db/octave to start) and then use the high-pass-filter on the amplifer to cut off the bottom 100hz. Use your sub amp/channels normally. I'll look over it again later - but in the meantime - what amps are you going to use? Link to the product pages. haemph wrote:
James... Tell 'em to fix their front page! Grammatical and punctuation errors, and most especially the use of "your" when they mean you're, a.k.a. "you are". Idiots. Seems they need a better web designer
Haha - I know for a fact the owner paid $2500 for that site. (of course - he only paid me $9/hr to make the menus..  ) One time he paid the telephone repair guy $80 to replace the phone cord that ran from the bar phone to the wall - that little plastic peice on the top of the plug had broken off - so his solution was to call the phone company and have them send a repair man - who charged the store $75 for an hour of labor and then $5 for a new phone cord. My face looked like this:  Naww - working at the place was like working in one of those funhouse mirrors - I was wondering if that would show thru in the link. I can't tell ya how glad I am to be back in school full-time! ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 08, 2008 at 5:50 PM
sedate wrote:
[quote=bmr]I was thinking of running an active crossover, though. That is what the Orion 200 CRX is.
Wow that PDF is hard to read - uh - yea go active dude. That 200CRX looks like it would be a fine solution - two way your highs (maybe3khz @ 12db/octave to start) and then use the high-pass-filter on the amplifer to cut off the bottom 100hz. Use your sub amp/channels normally. I'll look over it again later - but in the meantime - what amps are you going to use? Link to the product pages. https://ampguts.realmofexcursion.com/MTX_Blue_Thunder_PRO_504/ https://www.mtx.com/caraudio/archive/pro50x4.cfm Now this 2nd one isn't quite the same, but you can see from the ampguts sheet and the mtx one they are almost exactly the same amps. I will either use the aforementioned in 4-channel mode or bridge it to two channels and use for the other two channels: https://www.orioncaraudio.com/Support/Manuals/Amplifiers/HCCA%20Series/Orion%20225HCCA%20Installation%20Manual(G1).pdf
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 5:47 AM
Yikes! Okay I went back and looked at that Orion pdf and I'm not really sure how you can use either of those two little boxes - It looks proprietary for Orion gear - I'm not familiar with how to use a DIN output - I mean - are you using all these Orion amps as well? If not, perhaps a more traditional RCA-based active xover might be better for ya. . . But anyway - did you end up getting those PG's? What tweeters are you using again? ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:23 AM
sedate wrote:
Yikes! Okay I went back and looked at that Orion pdf and I'm not really sure how you can use either of those two little boxes - It looks proprietary for Orion gear - I'm not familiar with how to use a DIN output - I mean - are you using all these Orion amps as well? If not, perhaps a more traditional RCA-based active xover might be better for ya. . . Hey good call! Actually I was thinking of using my MTX 4 channel I have, but that won't work! I forgot the Orion acessories use 'Phantom Power' and have to be used with at least 1 Orion amp! I actually do have an Orion 225HCCA Gen1 in transit to me right now. That is just a 2 channel, though, 25X2 at 12V, so like 50X2 at 14.4 I think. Cheater amp so maybe more??? Hmm. What to do. But anyway - did you end up getting those PG's? What tweeters are you using again?
No I didn't get the PG mids yet, that'll be another 4-6 weeks. I am going to be running some old RF mids I got off E-Bay until finances are in order! lol. A pair of RF Pwr-64. Right now I will be using the RF mids and my existing Kappa Perfect tweeters.
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:27 AM
Hey good call! Actually I was thinking of using my MTX 4 channel I have, but that won't work! I forgot the Orion acessories use 'Phantom Power' and have to be used with at least 1 Orion amp! I actually do have an Orion 225HCCA Gen1 in transit to me right now. That is just a 2 channel, though, 25X2 at 12V, so like 50X2 at 14.4 I think. Cheater amp so maybe more??? Hmm. What to do.
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 6:31 PM
I'm not sure what you can do with that xover and a 2-channel - you need 4-channels to run an active setup - 2 for the l/r mids and 2 for the l/r tweets. I really wouldn't go out of my way to run Orion gear. It doens't look like ur equipment will do this as is - you need an RCA based active xover, a CD player with an active xover, or you need to use passives. If your head unit isn't waving your flag, swapping in one that has an onboard xover will probably be your cheapest/easiest way to go active at this point - but you still need to invest close to $300 for a suitable piece. ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 7:44 PM
sedate wrote:
I'm not sure what you can do with that xover and a 2-channel - you need 4-channels to run an active setup - 2 for the l/r mids and 2 for the l/r tweets. I really wouldn't go out of my way to run Orion gear. It doens't look like ur equipment will do this as is - you need an RCA based active xover, a CD player with an active xover, or you need to use passives. If your head unit isn't waving your flag, swapping in one that has an onboard xover will probably be your cheapest/easiest way to go active at this point - but you still need to invest close to $300 for a suitable piece.
In looking at the manual it looks like it (the deck) does have some EQ and/or crossover settings. https://inform3.kenwoodusa.com/manuals/KDCX659.pdf On pages 10-12 I found some information on it. It has some settings apparently I was previously unaware of. I have the KDC-X559 model. I could drone on and on here and maybe I would give you useful info and maybe not, so I just pasted the link and told you where to location the information you would need to reference. I was just reading your thread you started back in 05 about bi-amping. I am going to print that out. I am learning a lot but can only learn so fast, so hopefully I will be at a level somewhere approaching where you were then at some point before too long! haha. Thanks for your help! Let me know what kind of Crossover/EQ situation I need once you see what options my deck has. Thx!
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 8:02 PM
bmrsnr303 wrote:
Hey good call! Actually I was thinking of using my MTX 4 channel I have, but that won't work! I forgot the Orion acessories use 'Phantom Power' and have to be used with at least 1 Orion amp! I actually do have an Orion 225HCCA Gen1 in transit to me right now. That is just a 2 channel, though, 25X2 at 12V, so like 50X2 at 14.4 I think. Cheater amp so maybe more??? Hmm. What to do.
I actually do have the 4 channel MTX. Just FYI it is a MTX Blue Thunder Pro 504. https://ampguts.realmofexcursion.com/MTX_Blue_Thunder_PRO_504/ https://www.mtx.com/caraudio/archive/pro50x4.cfm That model isn't the exact same cosmetically, mine is Blue Thunder Pro 504, but I am assuming it has all the same features and is just a newer version of the one I have. I have e-mailed MTX to verify this and am waiting for their reply
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Right but you have to use that xover with an Orion amplifier - so the MTX 4-channel isn't going to help you with that xover. ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 8:25 PM
bmrsnr wrote:
On pages 10-12 I found some information on it. It has some settings apparently I was previously unaware of. I have the KDC-X559 model
Hmm - that deck has basic xovers on it - but no way to turn it into a 3-way-active xover. Just standard HPF/LPF settings. I wish I could tell ya some other way . . . ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Did you buy that Audio Control XC or whatever it was from haemph? How do you like it? I am looking at that and the XS, which may just be the newer version, haven't determined that yet. Is there anything I could do with the deck? Could I run the tweeters on it, etc? It does have different frequencies you can set for all the various imputs. I guess it's just not enough, though. Any unit you would reccomend? Just looking for something to get the job done for now. Even just having anykind of crossover beyond my deck will be far more than I've ever had and I'm sure I'll be happy with that for awhile. So a crossover and then I have one four channel and one two channel available for amping, also. So I guess I could bi-amp the front components...Just trying to figure out what I want to do. I have the door panels off and the guts exposed, so I guess I should probably decide, so that's why I am here! Thx
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:13 PM
Um. Wow that was a long time ago. Yea I bought the EQX - it didn't work very long - not even 6 months and it developed an awful static. I never really had much success messing around with it much when it was working though - if I took anything off the flat-setting it would just screw it up - which is probably a testament to my speakers- but I mean - it sounded pretty good. It was a good piece to learn from - I had alot of fun screwing with the thing. So I ended up using this head unit I have now to run a 3-way active xover - variable xover point, variable slope - two BIG advantages over the AudioControl piece. I imagine that AudioControl has some dream box that will work for you - but I'm not sure that's really what you need - especially considering that getting a head unit that will do the same thing with less install and probably less money - AudioControl stuff is expensive. ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:28 PM
bmr] I wrote:
have the door panels off
You should dynamat ur outer door skin while ur at it. This is probably the single biggest upgrade you can ever make to ur front stage. Better than an active xover - better than anything - and one of the cheapest! bmr]Ju wrote:
t looking for something to get the job done for now
Then honestly dude - don't spend money yet - just ghetto rig it for now with the passive xovers u have - bridge the 4-channel to the front speakers (or run them discretly to all four channels of ur car - whatever ur preference) and then use the two channel, and bridge it to ur subs. It'll sound good enough until you can do what you want - like I said, ur priorities should include a case of butyl-rubber based sound deadener for ur doors if ur serious about ur front stage. I'm not neccessarily saying you should get this deck - but I think this one has an onboard active xover - and its a very NICE deck in its own right. . . https://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4953 Something besides outboard boxes for u to think about. . . . ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 10:56 PM
sedate wrote:
You should dynamat ur outer door skin while ur at it. This is probably the single biggest upgrade you can ever make to ur front stage. Better than an active xover - better than anything - and one of the cheapest! Then honestly dude - don't spend money yet - just ghetto rig it for now with the passive xovers u have - bridge the 4-channel to the front speakers (or run them discretly to all four channels of ur car - whatever ur preference) and then use the two channel, and bridge it to ur subs. It'll sound good enough until you can do what you want - like I said, ur priorities should include a case of butyl-rubber based sound deadener for ur doors if ur serious about ur front stage. I'm not neccessarily saying you should get this deck - but I think this one has an onboard active xover - and its a very NICE deck in its own right. . . https://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=4953 Something besides outboard boxes for u to think about. . . .
I bought 2 dynamat door kits, so I already have that I can use. I have a guy at a local stereo shop that is wanting to sell me a brand new old stock Pioneer deck. I guess that is something I should check on for that specifically (to see if it has onboard active x over) and just generally. I did buy my deck about 4-5 yrs ago, so I wouldn't mind upgrading that if it is going to cost about the same. The Audio Control QX I am pretty sure I can get for $80-$100 used. Maybe getting a deck is a better answer? Even though I am using just whatever front stage equip for now...at the same time if I am going to upgrade to either outboard or go active in a deck, I want it to be ready made for when I am able to upgrade my front stage speakers in the next several weeks. On the subject of amps, I already have an amp running to my sub. The sub is already amped (Orion 250HCCA Gen1) and running. I have a total of 6 channels (4 channel MTX and 2 Channel Orion 225HCCA available for front stage/rear fill). Rear fill speakers work fine, they just aren't amped. I was running a old school RF amp to the front stage, but I sold that on e-bay, so basically I have RCAS, ground, power wire, etc, already run. All I have to do is mount another amp and plug-in the existing wires (which all new wire was ran about 2 months ago; I didn't do it, nor have I done anything besides take off the door panels). Sounds like once I figure out what I am going to do for X Over I will need to just determine what I want to do with mounting locations. The tweeters are mounted up high in that little panel that is about the height of the side view mirrors (on 94 Camry). From what I have read that is probably not an ideal location, especially with the mids being all the way down by my feet and so much space in between the mids and the tweets. Just not sure what to do here, no wonder it sounded bad when it was actually working! lol.
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 15, 2008 at 11:11 PM
bmr] b wrote:
ught 2 dynamat door kits, so I already have that I can use.
Outstanding! After dynmatting the immediate mounting location, dynmat the outer door skins, as much as you can, starting behind the speaker. bmr]
>have a guy at a local stereo shop that is wanting to sell me a brand new old stock Pioneer deck.
No way! I'd die of shock if Pioneer makes a head unit with a 3-way-active xover. Anyway - ppl are always having problems with Pioneer decks - something about the grounding circuitry makes them REAL prone to alternator whine - my first deck was a Pioneer and I had all sorts of problems. . . Anyway - I don't think anyone here would recommend Pioneer for ur car. . . And it is getting pretty hard to find a head unit that has an onboard xover - that CD5000 is the only one I know of - and I can't confirm that on eclipse's craptactular website. bmr]
>On the subject of amps, I already have an amp running to my sub. The sub is already amped (Orion 250HCCA Gen1) and running. I have a total of 6 channels (4 channel MTX and 2 Channel Orion 225HCCA available for front stage/rear fill). Rear fill speakers work fine, they just aren't amped. I was running a old school RF amp to the front stage, but I sold that on e-bay, so basically I have RCAS, ground, power wire, etc, already run. All I have to do is mount another amp and plug-in the existing wires (which all new wire was ran about 2 months ago; I didn't do it, nor have I done anything besides take off the door panels). Sounds like once I figure out what I am going to do for X Over I will need to just determine what I want to do with mounting locations. The tweeters are mounted up high in that little panel that is about the height of the side view mirrors (on 94 Camry). From what I have read that is probably not an ideal location, especially with the mids being all the way down by my feet and so much space in between the mids and the tweets. Just not sure what to do here, no wonder it sounded bad when it was actually working! lol.
I mean you have literally a dozen choices of how to wire this up. Definately drop those tweeters to your mids tho. Just point them up - your tweeters don't need to be at ear level for good imaging - indeed - it tends to work agianst it in a car. . . ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 16, 2008 at 1:39 AM
You aren't exaggerating about Eclipse's website. It is horrid. I can find manuals for my gen 1 Orion amps even though they are 15 years old and Orion was bought by Directed a few years back. I can find manuals for my MTX amp and my Kenwood deck QUICK through their respective websites. My sub is Eclipse 88120DVC and I feel da*% lucky that I have the original manual AND I had the presence of mind a few years back to print out the manual off the Eclipse site. Took me a long time to navigate back then even, but not it's just unbelievable. That deck sounds like a real possibility. If it will take care of my crossover needs and my EQ needs. Will it take care of crossover and eq? It would be nice to have it built right into the deck and everything being in one device. I guess I better start selling off my existing equipment so I can afford it! haha. Speaking of: Do you think that MTX amp will be strong enough for the front stage? I mean it is 50W rms but I have read online where people were benching them at right around 80W rms. I just don't know if I should be banking on 80W rms if that's not what it's rated. Maybe mine only does 65X4 and maybe it does 95X4! lol Right? I just don't know if that is enough power (even at 80 rms, Tis 150 rms) to run those Ti-6s when I get them. I mean I could bridge the MTX to run 2 channels, but that obviously ups the THD. I guess it doesn't matter other than supplying the mids with adequete power, since the crossover and eq would be taken care of by the deck. Correct or no? What do you think? The RF mids are 120 rms, so powering up for them is pretty similar. I I am also going to shoot you a cut and paste I did in MS Word with RF Pwr 64 mids vs PG Ti-6s, just for the purpose of comparing specs. Not sure if you will need it, but they have some similarities. Aren't you running the T-6s? I swear that someone is on here, thought it was you...I could always get the Ti-6 passive crossover and use that on the RF mids for now (they look close enough) and then on the Ti-6s. Good idea? Bad idea? Mediocre idea? Just trying to explore all options. Thx again!
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: March 16, 2008 at 9:33 AM
bmr]Th wrote:
t deck sounds like a real possibility. If it will take care of my crossover needs and my EQ needs. Will it take care of crossover and eq?
The EQ sure - I can't tell if it has the xover on it I think it does - I dunno I want a new deck anyway so I'll be looking into this for awhile. . . bmr]Sp wrote:
aking of: Do you think that MTX amp will be strong enough for the front stage?
Yes. 50watts, 80watts, 100watts - it will all sound about the same once installed I think. Anyway - I can assure you that few midranges will soak up 100watts without some awful side effects. That TI elite mid might be rated at 150watts - but that is a rating for the whole componet set - I can tell if I ran 150 watts to them they'd bottom out and fry in a matter of minutes. bmr]I wrote:
mean I could bridge the MTX to run 2 channels, but that obviously ups the THD
This is technically true - but this isn't going to be something you will EVER hear. Only elitist audiophiles will tell you that they can hear the difference between 4 and 2 ohms - especially driving down the road at 50 mph. Anything unbiased I've ever read clearly rejects this supposition as absurd. Detecting that THD difference would require $4000 worth of microphones and computerized analyzers. I can assure you, your ears won't do it. bmr] N wrote:
t sure if you will need it, but they have some similarities. Aren't you running the T-6s? I swear that someone is on here, thought it was you...I could always get the Ti-6 passive crossover and use that on the RF mids for now (they look close enough) and then on the Ti-6s. Good idea? Bad idea? Mediocre idea? Just trying to explore all options. Thx again!
Right I'm running the PG mids. No, I wouldn't spend money or effort hooking up passive xovers that you don't already have - save your money to do the install correctly. Again - the problem with running mix-and-matched mids and xovers is that the xover freq changes with the precise impedence of the speaker. . . so I wouldn't spend money doing it. ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 16, 2008 at 11:13 AM
sedate wrote:
Yes. 50watts, 80watts, 100watts - it will all sound about the same once installed I think. Anyway - I can assure you that few midranges will soak up 100watts without some awful side effects. That TI elite mid might be rated at 150watts - but that is a rating for the whole componet set - I can tell if I ran 150 watts to them they'd bottom out and fry in a matter of minutes.
I've heard people talk about running the tweeters off deck power. I remember someone on here (don't ask me on what thread lol) saying that you can often run your tweeters on deck power...something about not needing as much power at higher frequencies or something. I know that is vague. Do you have any idea wth i'm talkin about? lol. If this is possible i could run tweeters off deck power and run mids and rear fill off the 4 channel. sedate wrote:
Right I'm running the PG mids. No, I wouldn't spend money or effort hooking up passive xovers that you don't already have - save your money to do the install correctly. Again - the problem with running mix-and-matched mids and xovers is that the xover freq changes with the precise impedence of the speaker. . . so I wouldn't spend money doing it.
Also with the PG Ti's they are 150W rms per, 300RMS for the pair. You said you were thinking of going in a different direction. Were you not happy with them? I can get them for $150/pair shipped from Woofersetc, which is an authorized PG dealer. The crossover I would get would be the matched crossover for the Ti-6s, i would just temporarily run it on the RF mids. So I would, in fact, be mixing and matching for the time being, but it would work exact for the Ti-6s, obviously. It is only a single crossover for the set and it is $75 direct from PG. You are right, though, my most immediate issue is simply getting up and running. I just need to do that for starters, but I would like to be ready made with X-Over specifically and EQ also. So what would you advise for this purpose for me? Now that you know just about every detail about all my equipment and my situation! haha. P.S. I am looking forward to just getting up and running. I am excited about getting my tweeters placed down lower and seeing what kind of a difference my novice ears hear in the imaging. It's been so long since I have had a 100% functional 100% of the time front stage
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Why do I need a 3 way crossover, too, if I am only crossing over my mids and tweets? I have just been running my rear fill full range, which is fine by me for right now.
Posted By: bmrsnr303
Date Posted: March 16, 2008 at 11:35 AM
I can use the Orion 200CRX unit on my sub.
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