alpine type x or pioneer ts w3001d4
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Topic: alpine type x or pioneer ts w3001d4
Posted By: akickz
Subject: alpine type x or pioneer ts w3001d4
Date Posted: April 18, 2008 at 11:05 PM
I was wondering what would be better running, 4 alpine type-x on 2 jl audio 1000/1 or 4 Pioneer Premier TS-W3001D4 on 2 jl 1000/1 ? what sub is better i've never dealt with any. I HAVE dealt with 4 alpine type-r and 4 pioneer Pioneer TS-W307D4 , both four ohm. alpine type-r out performed the pioneer, but the pioneers had good bass delivery. im just looking to go big.
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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: April 18, 2008 at 11:17 PM
The type X gets my vote.
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Posted By: mrknox
Date Posted: April 20, 2008 at 12:17 AM
The Pioneers will give you the most amount of bass for your money, but the Alpines will for sure sound better, and possibly louder but for more money.
Posted By: spookiestylez
Date Posted: April 20, 2008 at 12:20 AM
the type-r sound alot better IMO
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RTFM
Posted By: wishuponansg
Date Posted: April 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM
type-x, no doubt.
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: April 20, 2008 at 11:57 PM
Why not four Type X's with a 1000/1 each powered by 1000 watts.
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: April 21, 2008 at 9:58 AM
aznboi3644 wrote:
Why not four Type X's with a 1000/1 each powered by 1000 watts.
'Cause per Bob (aka tcss) the Type X woofers NEED a kW each, and even THAT'S underpowered. He had one in his shop, sitting there, in an Alpine designed slotted box, and while it sounded GOOD, (and I mean really good...) output left a great deal to be desired! ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: April 21, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Type Type R's would work better with two 1000/1s
My friend has two Type R's with an MRD-1005 on each. They are still begging for me power.
Posted By: akickz
Date Posted: April 22, 2008 at 1:20 AM
i infact did hook my type-r's up to the two 1000/1's and they are rediculous. is their anyway i can have them perform to their full potential with a ported box? if so what would be the specs
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: April 22, 2008 at 10:02 AM
akickz wrote:
is their anyway i can have them perform to their full potential with a ported box? if so what would be the specs
Maybe I underestimate type-r's - but with this kind of power I'd graph the excursion in WinISD before porting them. . . . ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: akickz
Date Posted: April 22, 2008 at 11:26 AM
where can i get this program from? i mean don't get me wrong they hit hard, but i kno they can do better. my friend has 4 1200 watt pioneers in a custom ported box, downfiring with two long ports on each side, and his setup hits way harder than mine, and on a hifonics 2600 watt brutus. so i know if i ported my alpines they could possibly perform better. the box i have now is based on a design by a local b ut popular beat shop. their is 2 12's on each side facing each other, with a slot in the middle. the slot sits over the spare tire space in my trunk, and the bass hits in this compartment and then flows up into the trunk.
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: April 22, 2008 at 11:58 AM
akickz wrote:
so i know if i ported my alpines they could possibly perform better. the box i have now is based on a design by a local b ut popular beat shop. their is 2 12's on each side facing each other, with a slot in the middle. the slot sits over the spare tire space in my trunk, and the bass hits in this compartment and then flows up into the trunk.
If I follow this punctuation-lite post correctly, you are saying that your friend has a louder system, and you want yours to be just as loud? But you both have about 2000 watts and 4 12's? So you want a new ported box or new diaphrams to keep up with your friend? Is this right? Do you have a ported box now - I can't tell by the way this post is structured. . . Woofer to woofer - the type-x is probably the best woofer you've mentioned - but if you are going for sheer output - you could probably do better with a higher-efficiency subwoofer . . . I dunno - you really should post with more info - like available box size, the vehicle in question, etc. You can read up on WinISD here: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~74558~PN~1 ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: akickz
Date Posted: April 22, 2008 at 12:19 PM
well yeah basically i want mines to be louder. seeing as i have better subwoofers and amps in my opinion. the box i have now is sealed. the trunk of my car is pretty big, maybe 40/45 inches side 2 side and a lot of room from the bumper to behind the seats. vehichle is a 99 buick park ave. i just think a proper ported enclosure would hit harder than m sealed box
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: April 22, 2008 at 1:24 PM
sedate I wouldn't worry at all about the excursion graph for the Type R. I've played 10Hz tones at around 800 watts rms in a t-line and never had any issues with excursion...lol.
Type R's sound like crap in sealed enclosures IMO...If you want to go ported can you fit a 8 cu ft enclosure??? Thats also not including port displacement or bracing.
If you don't have the room than two Type R's in a nice ported enclosure will be loud as balls.
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: April 22, 2008 at 6:51 PM
aznboi wrote:
sedate I wouldn't worry at all about the excursion graph for the Type R. I've played 10Hz tones at around 800 watts rms in a t-line and never had any issues with excursion...lol.
:::shrugs:::: I dunno man! I thought the type-r's were the budget sub from Alpine..? akickz wrote:
seeing as i have better subwoofers and amps in my opinion
Yea but that often means lower efficiency numbers - anyway - one thing that does occur to me is: akickz wrote:
the box i have now is based on a design by a local b ut popular beat shop. their is 2 12's on each side facing each other, with a slot in the middle. the slot sits over the spare tire space in my trunk, and the bass hits in this compartment and then flows up into the trunk.
Not shure what you mean by "slot" if it isn't a port. . . but are you sure your subs aren't fighting each other for airspace? Generally speaking, it isn't a good idea to point subs at each other ... Anyway - 6 to 8 cft @ 35hz or so will give ya a nice response with a little bump right in the middle. . . ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: April 22, 2008 at 11:33 PM
the Type E's are Alpines entry level...the Type R's are probably the best sub I can think of for the price...on the internet you can find em for 100 a piece. They can take 1000 watts rms easily if the signal is clean.
I fried my Type R only because I was sending it 1200 watts...I didnt care to reset the gain so I'm sure I was clipping it a bit. Finally did the day after I TRIED killing it by playing 10-20Hz tones for 10 minutes straight at full tilt so around 1200 watts rms. Only let out a tiny bit of smoke...next day my truck was filled with smoke.
So basically the Type R's are a helluva bang for the buck
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: April 23, 2008 at 1:04 AM
aznboi wrote:
So basically the Type R's are a helluva bang for the buck
How would they compare, in your opinion, to say - a JLw3? or w6? ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: April 23, 2008 at 4:21 PM
power handling I'd compare them to the W6.
Sound quality they are far behind the W6 and less than the Type X
Output potential I'd say more than both the JL's.
I love the Type R though...its a good quality all around sub.
Posted By: chillin420
Date Posted: April 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM
i agree with aznboi3644 except for the quality, i believe theyare right up there with the w6. i was running a 10" type r, rms 400, and it wa he cleanest sounding sub i have had in a long time. had a w6 10 with a 500/1, 2 12w3s with same amp, a type x 10 with a pdx 600.1. And the type r had the best quality, and output, out of all the setups. (lacked output compared to 2 12w3s) i am a huge supporter of these subs... getting ready to run four tens in my civic hatchback in the next month.
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you can do it....
advanced MECP, lol does it really matter....
patience is a virtue
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: April 23, 2008 at 11:18 PM
sq from the sub largely depends on the enclosure also...with both the Type R and W6 in optimal enclosures...the W6 still is superior in sq.
Posted By: akickz
Date Posted: April 24, 2008 at 12:50 AM
sedate wrote:
Not shure what you mean by "slot" if it isn't a port. . . but are you sure your subs aren't fighting each other for airspace? Generally speaking, it isn't a good idea to point subs at each other ...
Anyway - 6 to 8 cft @ 35hz or so will give ya a nice response with a little bump right in the middle. . . <!-- -->
i would have to take a picture, basically when you open my trunk you just see a big carpeted box, the subwoofers are underneath. two subs on one side and two on the other facing each other, their is a open slot (not ported) on the bottom to wedge the subwoofers inside the box.the slot goes from the front of the bottom of the box to the back. its difficuly to explain.
but about the box , would is be 6-8 cubic ft for all four subs in a single box or would they each be chambered? i was thinking about having each 2 subwoofers chambered seperatly with two seperate ports (basically 2 boxes as 1), how much cubic, so about 3-4 cubic feet per chamber? (split the cubic feet in half.
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: April 24, 2008 at 7:49 AM
akickz wrote:
would is be 6-8 cubic ft for all four subs in a single box or would they each be chambered? i was thinking about having each 2 subwoofers chambered seperatly with two seperate ports (basically 2 boxes as 1), how much cubic, so about 3-4 cubic feet per chamber? (split the cubic feet in half.
I mean there are like a million ways to build this - chambering might be a good idea, if just for bracing a box that large. I don't really chamber boxes I build. . . but I don't do systems with four 12's either so . . . Three or four cubic feet should be fine - but you might what to mock it up in WinISD first - that build looks like it would be expensive (and a real pain in the rear) to do over again. ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: April 24, 2008 at 9:03 AM
I usually do two subs per chamber
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