kicker, indecisive

still can't decide on what subs to get. I know i want kicker subs and amp. For around the same price i can get the 1500.1 kicker zx amp running either: 2 12 'cvx's(box not included), 2 12' L5's(box included), 3 cvr 12's, 4 cvr 10's. The options on my kicker order are basically endless. Tell me what you think as far as what series to go with and how many i should run off the 1500.1 amp

That's a wide range of woofers you're looking at there. Your price range suggests stay away from the CVR's and look at the CVX or L5. Besides, having 3 or 4 woofers often means you have other problems to solve.

A pair of CVR's will use all the power from the 1500.1, but the amp will have some to spare for the L5's. The sensitivity of both woofers is nearly identical. It's hard to recommend one or the other since I'm not familiar with how they sound.   But what about the included box for the L5's ... does that make a difference for you?

-Justin

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Malcom: "This is the captain. We have a...little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then...explode."
Jayne: "We're gonna explode? I don't wanna explode.

the box is a plus but a small one being as I have a carpenter friend that is willing to help me do just about anything under the sun. I had one cvx in my trunk for awhile bridged across a kicker 850.2 and it was pretty mean. The only reason i asked about multiple subs is because i recognized a huge sound difference in my car when i had 2 subs instead of just one so was wondering maybe if 3 or even 4 smaller subs would sound better than just one or two. I have been debating this decision for quite awhile and i'm starting to lean towards the l5's. I'm in high school and really want to push to be somewhat different seeing as 4 people in my class already have l7's, and i'm sure most of you know what i'm talking about. I want something that can be clean when i want to listen to my music, and impressive when i want to turn it up for show-off purposes.

honestly it probrably loos like i'm just looking for someone to do the research for me but truthfully i just can't bring myself to make a decision. It's like naming your first born kid or something, and it's my money so its really important to me

If your main drive is to have something unique, something your friends don't have, why not think outside the box? haha

No really, I mean try something more difficult like an isobaric design, a bandpass or transmission line, or spend a little time trying to build it to compliment your car instead of trying for wow factor. Everybody (read high-schoolers) can put big woofers with lots of power and chrome plate everything, but not everyone has a personal carpenter to help build something special. You don't need to beat them on SPL, that's a stupid endeavor in my opinion. Try to win at SQ, efficiency, low frequency response, stealth install, amazing custom built box, or something else you can use your carpenter friend to help with.

To that end, you don't have to go with Kicker or any specific brand. Why not look around some more, visit a few local stores, and demo some equipment? Stay away from the big box stores like BBuy and CCity though, find the little hole-in-the-wall places that only do car audio. They can help you with suggestions.

What is the rest of your system like? Do you have after market components, amp, receiver, or signal processing? Perhaps get a single 12" with a smaller amp and put cash towards your weakest link, or add a unit that does time delay and parametric EQ. If done through a local shop, they can help you configure it to kill all your buddies' system SQ-wise.

-Justin

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Malcom: "This is the captain. We have a...little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then...explode."
Jayne: "We're gonna explode? I don't wanna explode.

ill look into that. you got any websites or information on how to build those unique boxes your talkin about?

Isobaric is putting two woofers in-line with eachother so they push the same amount of air, but with much more force. It allows for smaller boxes and/or greater SPL without giving up SQ for the most part. It can be used on any enclosure and is highly documented here and elsewhere.

Bandpass is also well documented, on this website and others. Should be easy to find information.

Transmission Lines are not very well documented, here is a thread I started with some great links on the second page near the bottom.

-Justin

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Malcom: "This is the captain. We have a...little problem with our engine sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then...explode."
Jayne: "We're gonna explode? I don't wanna explode.

the isobaric sounds coool. you think that would work well  with l5's cuz i made up my mind on them. now i'm just debating on what to put them in

click

Alot of info on this site.

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Your subwoofer choice and box choice depend on what you want: SPL or SQ.

I just ordered an Alpine Type R with an Alpine 500 watt amp, put all my specs in WinIsd, and it predicts around 112 to 113 db's within the 30 hz up to the 90 hz and beyond range.

I am going for an SQ-ish system, not really concerned with the output as much as the sound quality. I'm also in high school and it seems like everyone wants a bangin sub thats a one-note-hitter-quitter.

Also from what I hear you can't really get sound quality from a square woofer...just made for loud time thats not dynamic (won't hit highs and lows). That L5 is that bangin sub that's a one-note-hitter-quitter. I listened to an L7 and for the price I'd never buy it.

If you want something different do something different. I'd at least go for Eclipse woofers and amps...remember its all about the enclosure--spend most of your time doing enclosure construction. If you do it right you'll be satisfied.

Alot of these SQ guys suggest subs with the XBL^2 motor or something like that I think. I don't know what kind of deals you can get, but if you wanted to put your SPL money into SQ money you could go a long ways.



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i was really thinking about the eclipse sw8200 which i can get for just about 120 a piece  leaving me plenty of money to spend on a good amp and box. I would use the Win ISD program if i really knew what to do with all the damn specs that go into it and had someone who could convert those specs into a box...or does it do it for you?

You can put in your T/S parameters and you can do alot of things:

-see how loud it could be at certain frequencies
-design a box YOU want (the box YOU want may not be the one the manufacturer suggests)
-gives you port lengths/diameters etc.
-gives you general dimensions for your box
-personally I like to see how big my box is going to be in WinISD, see what room I have to work with in my car, and play with the box calculator on www.the12volt.com
-it's a free download, it has a help thing and that's how I learned to use it.

Also there is a sticky on how to use it. Don't feel like linking it.

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3 12's?

Dude are you a total bass junkie. I'm telling you I just hooked up my Alpine Type R and Alpine 500 w amp in a box I designed on WinISD and it absolutely slams and sounds great. $350 with shipping. Not competition but I love it.

Not saying those subs are bad but they are recommended sealed by Eclipse. Sealed is not really an SPL box.

I would recommend maybe one MTX 9500 12" maybe 15" in a nice ported enclosure designed on WinISD if you are looking for bass (seems like you want loud bass if you were going for 3 12's). I said MTX because you mentioned them a page back.

There's really too many sub choices for me to recommend just one. If you want 3 12's go for it. It would probably be bad ass. If you port them they would probably slam balls.

It would be a hell of a project to port 3 12's, and I don't know how I would start with 3 12's.

Honestly like I said before I would go with maybe a nice 15" ported and tuned down low. If you gave me the T/S parameters I could put it in WinISD for you and post up the charts, box volume, port size, etc...




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