what to do with 15 cubes
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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=104871
Printed Date: May 01, 2024 at 3:52 PM
Topic: what to do with 15 cubes
Posted By: cronicjohnson
Subject: what to do with 15 cubes
Date Posted: May 20, 2008 at 5:47 PM
i got 15 cubes what should i do with it and i only want 2 subs max
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 20, 2008 at 10:10 PM
15 cubic feet of enclosure or 15 cubic feet of available space? ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: cronicjohnson
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 8:00 AM
15 cube box
Posted By: klctexas
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 8:13 AM
If you made the box slightly smaller... here------------- Soldier: This is the worst part. The calm before the battle.
Fry: And then the battle is not so bad?
Soldier: Oh, right. I forgot about the battle.
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 8:17 AM
I'd order two of THESE and port it at 18Hz. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: cronicjohnson
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 9:47 AM
well i was thinking more along the lines of eclipse or atomic are they good or are there better
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:00 AM
The Maelstrom'll beat those others to within an inch of their pathetic lives... And I'm an Eclipse fan! And for two woofers for HALF THE MONEY of the suggested Kicker, you'll blow it out of the water, too, in both sound quality (the kicker simply SUCKS there... Imagine Neil Peart or John Rutsey drumming on a wet sponge.) and output.
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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:24 AM
mmmmmm Neil Peart .....now your talking!  ------------- Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: klctexas
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:56 AM
I don't exactly think that a setup with 15 cubes of airspace for a subwoofer is meant for SQ, do you?
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Soldier: This is the worst part. The calm before the battle.
Fry: And then the battle is not so bad?
Soldier: Oh, right. I forgot about the battle.
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 10:58 AM
klctexas wrote:
I don't exactly think that a setup with 15 cubes of airspace for a subwoofer is meant for SQ, do you?
Why not? ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 11:13 AM
DYohn] wrote:
klctexas wrote:
I don't exactly think that a setup with 15 cubes of airspace for a subwoofer is meant for SQ, do you?
Why not?
Exactly...
A set of 18" TLs that I helped build, occupied well OVER 15 cubes... EACH! Those go FLAT to 12Hz. Larger enclosures (in most alignments) oftentimes will be FAR more musical than small boxes... ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: klctexas
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Well, most subs that are meant for large enclosures like that would generally take massive amounts of power, or be in an spl system. That's just what I think.  ------------- Soldier: This is the worst part. The calm before the battle.
Fry: And then the battle is not so bad?
Soldier: Oh, right. I forgot about the battle.
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 11:33 AM
klctexas wrote:
Well, most subs that are meant for large enclosures like that would generally take massive amounts of power, or be in an spl system. That's just what I think.
Well, that's simply not correct. Large enclosures produce very low frequency response, not necessarily high SPL and no they don't require large amounts of power. Your logic is like measuring length with an ohmmeter. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 12:26 PM
DYohn] wrote:
..like measuring length with an ohmmeter.
...LOVE the similes you come up with... I think I have a new sigline! ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: klctexas
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 1:00 PM
DYohn] wrote:
p>. Large enclosures produce very low frequency response, not necessarily high SPL and no they don't require large amounts of power. .
Well of course not, why would an enclosure require power? The subwoofers is what I was talking about requiring a lot of power. ------------- Soldier: This is the worst part. The calm before the battle.
Fry: And then the battle is not so bad?
Soldier: Oh, right. I forgot about the battle.
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 1:05 PM
And DYohn was referring to "enclosure" as "system". System includes box, plus driver.
Large "systems" produce very low frequency response, not necessarily high SPL and no they don't require large amounts of power.
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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 21, 2008 at 1:05 PM
klctexas wrote:
DYohn] wrote:
. Large enclosures produce very low frequency response, not necessarily high SPL and no they don't require large amounts of power. .
Well of course not, why would an enclosure require power? The subwoofers is what I was talking about requiring a lot of power.
OK, now you're trying to split hairs. Your statement was that subs in large enclosures = needs more power. To this I said BS. Indeed, depending on the speaker you choose, a larger enclosure might increase their efficiency so they would require less power for the same output levels. And if you are talking about the Maelstroms I linked to, they will work exceedingly well with any amount of power you want to throw at them, from 10 watts to 1000 watts,. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: cronicjohnson
Date Posted: May 22, 2008 at 8:07 AM
well i dont know about exodus audio ive never heard them or about them before. any of you have any experience with them
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 22, 2008 at 8:12 AM
cronicjohnson wrote:
well i dont know about exodus audio ive never heard them or about them before. any of you have any experience with them
I don't recommend things I don't know. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 22, 2008 at 8:33 AM
DYohn] wrote:
QUOTE=cronicjohnson]well i dont know about exodus audio ive never heard them or about them before. any of you have any experience with them
I don't recommend things I don't know.[/QUOTE]
That's completely true. Additionally, neither do I, and I can promise you those are fantastic drivers, and for the money, NOTHING will touch them... ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: cronicjohnson
Date Posted: May 22, 2008 at 9:56 AM
would the Maelstrom-X beat the pioneer premier Pioneer Premier TS-W8102SPL?
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM
Straight up... In a proper enclosure (both of them) with decent power (both of them) the Exodus will spank the Pioneers. Designed as an SQ woofer, the Maelstrom is VERY happy making enough output for even the most hardened of SPL junkies.
Seriously, dude... It's a REALLY good woofer.
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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 22, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Beat them in what way? Pure SPL? It all depends on the enclosure design but sure, the Maelstrom has four times the Vas and more than twice the Xmax of the Pioneer so they should get louder with the same power input. A pair of Maelstroms would absolutely PWN them in terms of SQ and being a listenable system, guaranteed. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: May 23, 2008 at 1:42 AM
cronicjohnson wrote:
well i dont know about exodus audio ive never heard them or about them before. any of you have any experience with them
I experienced Cloverfield last night with one of their Tempest-X subs (the 15" version) in a sealed enclosure. It rattled the room so much I had to turn it down, and it blended flawlessly with the other speakers (again some more of their designs) without being too intrusive sounding or boomy. You won't regret purchasing that sub.
Posted By: cronicjohnson
Date Posted: May 23, 2008 at 8:04 AM
so if i was to get the Maelstrom i would expect alot of spl?
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 23, 2008 at 9:11 AM
Dude... What have three people (myself included), with a total of almost 13000 posts, told you?
Power them right, (and I don't mean with Audiobohm and Power Craptastik) with a proper 500 to 1000 watts each, and they'll rattle the fillings from your teeth.
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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: cronicjohnson
Date Posted: May 23, 2008 at 9:37 AM
isnt it a home audio sub tho would it still perfomr well in a car? and what size box does i need?
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 23, 2008 at 9:46 AM
There is no such thing as a "home audio" speaker or a "car audio" speaker. A speaker's function is to convert electrical energy into acoustical energy and heat. That's what they do. Nothing more, nothing less.
With that out of the way, you said you had 15 cubic feet, and wanted to put 2 drivers into it. We have spent three pages telling you that this was the driver for you, and NOW you come back and ask how much space it needs, or whether it will perform well in a car.
I'm answering this for the last time: Yes, conditionally. That condition is that you power them correctly. Get the drivers, drop 'em into your box, and go beat your head to a pulp with 'em. (And sound good, while doing it.)
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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 23, 2008 at 9:54 AM
I agree with what haemphyst said. cronicjohnson, you asked for advice on using a 15 cuft enclosure, We gave you that advice. Now it sounds like you don't have an enclosure. So what are you trying to accomplish? ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: tubbs04
Date Posted: May 26, 2008 at 11:55 AM
You have 3 extremely Knowledgeable people trying to help you. listen to them. it was the smartest thing I've ever done. ------------- ...don't crush the weasel...
Posted By: cronicjohnson
Date Posted: May 27, 2008 at 8:01 AM
i was asking what size box because my friend was wandering if he could fit 1 in his cavalier
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