loudest subwoofer set up w/ 500 600 rms?
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Topic: loudest subwoofer set up w/ 500 600 rms?
Posted By: bumflik
Subject: loudest subwoofer set up w/ 500 600 rms?
Date Posted: July 17, 2008 at 10:53 PM
What is the loudest subwoofer set-up you can get for 500-600 RMS?
I am doing this for my cuz, and he has a stock alt. I was thinking go with a single 12" alpine type R in a 3 cu.ft. Ported box? Or maybe you guys think 2x 12" Kicker comps? I dont know since I dont have alot of experience with alot of subs.
Help us out here. Money isnt a concern.
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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: July 17, 2008 at 11:09 PM
What is the loudest subwoofer set-up you can get for 500-600 RMS? Mine. But seriously, loudest setup takes a lot of experimenting. And sounds like crap...but you aren't asking for anything but loud. If this were my test, I would start with a bandpass and use WinISD to help me find highest SPL *in cuz's vehicle* before I started cutting wood. I'd use a series of test tones with another setup in that vehicle to find the best resonant freq. Use that freq as your guide as you work the box dimensions. I'd probably model it using two subs, and work out placement so that they are both firing from the same plane and in the same direction toward the back of the vehicle. By the way, if money isn't a concern, why the limit of 600 watts? Is cuz wanting you to set him up for comp? ------------- Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
Posted By: bumflik
Date Posted: July 17, 2008 at 11:28 PM
stevdart wrote:
What is the loudest subwoofer set-up you can get for 500-600 RMS?
Mine.
But seriously, loudest setup takes a lot of experimenting. And sounds like crap...but you aren't asking for anything but loud. If this were my test, I would start with a bandpass and use WinISD to help me find highest SPL *in cuz's vehicle* before I started cutting wood. I'd use a series of test tones with another setup in that vehicle to find the best resonant freq. Use that freq as your guide as you work the box dimensions. I'd probably model it using two subs, and work out placement so that they are both firing from the same plane and in the same direction toward the back of the vehicle.
By the way, if money isn't a concern, why the limit of 600 watts? Is cuz wanting you to set him up for comp?
Its limited because of the fact that he does not want his headlights to dim and strain his alt. So I told him that he should stick with nothing more than 600 watts RMS. His dad is really strict on him so this is why we cant upgrade his alt or put in something like a kenetic battery. It is a 4 door mitsubishi Galante (4 cyl). He had to beg his dad to let him buy subs, so we came up with this, but he (like myself) loves loud music. (Sound quality imo is for those people that dont listen to loud music)
Well, I have winisd and i am gonna go ahead and see whats up.
Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: July 18, 2008 at 1:18 PM
My system sounds good AND gets plenty loud. ONE 10" sub, BTW. If you want it loud, and only loud, stevdart has the right idea... But, it will only hit the certain tuning freq loud -the rest WILL sound like crap. If he wants it to get loud at low freq's (which is considered SQ material), then a simple ported box will do you good. If he wants it loud, then do what stevdart suggested. ------------- 2013 Kia Rio -90a alternator
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Posted By: bumflik
Date Posted: July 18, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Yeah we already have our minds set, He is gonna buy 1 alpine type 12" and a 600 watt rms monoD hifonics amp. This set up should be loud enough for his tastes.
Now I have read that the type R beats the hardest in a 2.5-3 cu.ft box. Therefore I will find blueprints for a 3 cu.ft. box tuned to 35hz for him.
It will be easy for us to buy the 3/4 MDF material and cut it. The hard part will only be finding a blueprint and borrowing a nail gun to seal up the box since I dont want predrilled holes in the wood. I think wood glue and nail guns are the best way to go. Well if any of you guys can help us let me know, my Email is (and no I am not gonna pay for blueprints, do this out of kindness)Thnx!
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Posted By: advanced_audio
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Money is no object and your going with hifonics?
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 1:57 AM
I would suggest atleast a 1000 watt rms amp. I gave my Type R 1200 watts rms and it did fine...they are underrated on the powerhandling spec pretty good if you know what you are doin.
Posted By: bumflik
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 2:05 AM
advanced_audio wrote:
Money is no object and your going with hifonics?
Well I thought hifonics was good? As long as it supplies the watts I dont mind, and I also read hifonics had underrated amps. Now dont suggest something like JL audio becuz he is not looking for sound quality.
Posted By: bumflik
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 2:08 AM
aznboi3644 wrote:
I would suggest atleast a 1000 watt rms amp. I gave my Type R 1200 watts rms and it did fine...they are underrated on the powerhandling spec pretty good if you know what you are doin.
Well I do plan to but it in a Oversized 2.5-3 cu.ft. box. I am guessing a 700 rms @2 ohm hifonics amp would be playing it safe.
Posted By: still_walkin
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 9:08 AM
i think fior one sub a aplien not saying what model it is in a 3 cu box is kinda too big .
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alpine v60
12.5 VGA flip down
Nettop pc w/10" touch screen
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5-re audio 5x7 ,10" sub &
Xtx-500.5
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Posted By: bumflik
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 1:35 PM
Its the Alpine Type R, and it has a strong reputation for being indestructible. Although 3 cu.ft may seem too big, with this subwoofer you dont even need to worry about air suspension.
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 3:51 PM
3 cubic feet is not too big for the Type R 12...with my experience with them they love big boxes. between 2.5 - 3 cubic feet per sub is great
Posted By: still_walkin
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 4:18 PM
I'm saying accorfing to alpines recc. specs. Also is the box sealed vented or ported. I had two of these in a too big sealed box and it sounded muddy. So I guess it depends on the box
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1993 sdv
Alpine 4x6 6x9 5 1/4 swr-10d4
alpine v60
12.5 VGA flip down
Nettop pc w/10" touch screen
78nova
5-re audio 5x7 ,10" sub &
Xtx-500.5
"Take the faceplate off get the jumperpack"
Posted By: bumflik
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 4:31 PM
I have never heard of a 12" subwoofer in a 2.5-3 cu.ft enclosure, but yeah..its vented of course. But I need help with the blue prints. I have winisd and bass box pro 6, but I am not sure how to make a port for it.
Posted By: jettagli03
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 7:47 PM
I made a box for my friend's 12" Type-R that came out to about 2.5 cu ft after bracing and it was ported to 30Hz and it's one of the best sounding Type-R's I've ever heard. He is only running 300w RMS and everyone asks how many subs he has when they hear it. Although it is a Caddy and they probably have very good dampening from the factory which would help keep the sound in.
Posted By: still_walkin
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 8:12 PM
jettagli03 wrote:
I made a box for my friend's 12" Type-R that came out to about 2.5 cu ft after bracing and it was ported to 30Hz and it's one of the best sounding Type-R's I've ever heard. He is only running 300w RMS and everyone asks how many subs he has when they hear it. Although it is a Caddy and they probably have very good dampening from the factory which would help keep the sound in.
Pics please and what side mdf did you use and is the box double faced ------------- 1993 sdv
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12.5 VGA flip down
Nettop pc w/10" touch screen
78nova
5-re audio 5x7 ,10" sub &
Xtx-500.5
"Take the faceplate off get the jumperpack"
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: July 19, 2008 at 9:45 PM
bumflik wrote:
I have never heard of a 12" subwoofer in a 2.5-3 cu.ft enclosure, but yeah..its vented of course. But I need help with the blue prints. I have winisd and bass box pro 6, but I am not sure how to make a port for it.
3cuft is not at all unusual. I have a 12" subwoofer that requires 5 cuft for best performance. Don't be so quick to dismiss what people say. As far as "blue prints" programs like WinISD and BassBox are not intended to create cut sheets for you. You may want to download BoxyCad, a free Excel spreadsheet that will determine your cuts for you if you don't know how to do that. You'll need Excel or similar to run it. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: July 21, 2008 at 9:29 AM
Alpine "Spec enclosures" are to make most people happy because normal people dont want a 3 cu ft enclosure for a single 12. Most people want a small box.
Posted By: dragon51
Date Posted: July 21, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Yep that is why is really pays to have a shop that knows what they are doing to build the best box for your sub. If your after the very best a woofer can offer. But like aznboi3644 said not everyone want to give up that much space for a box. I used to look at the trunk when I was looking to buy a car just for that reason. Most subs want to breath!
Posted By: bumflik
Date Posted: July 22, 2008 at 2:24 AM
agreed. Especially with the xmax that the alpine type R has...its awsome
Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: August 01, 2008 at 1:00 AM
Yeah after hearing so much good things about Alpine Type Rs i had to get one. for maybe a 300 dollar setup (amp, sub, mdf) i am extremely satisfied. My Type R is powered by a 500 watt rms Alpine amp in about a 2.6 ish cubic foot box. WinISD says it would hit aroud 113 dbs from about 30 hz to 80hz. I haven't had it metered or anything like that but I wouldn't doubt it. Love it. Get it. ------------- Sasquatch...
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Posted By: still_walkin
Date Posted: August 01, 2008 at 1:30 AM
I agree with the type r I have 2 12's in a ported box love them found out my car has new stuff vibrating gonna upgrade to some type x (2) in a year
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1993 sdv
Alpine 4x6 6x9 5 1/4 swr-10d4
alpine v60
12.5 VGA flip down
Nettop pc w/10" touch screen
78nova
5-re audio 5x7 ,10" sub &
Xtx-500.5
"Take the faceplate off get the jumperpack"
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