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Topic: upgrades where to start, where to end

Posted By: lennex
Subject: upgrades where to start, where to end
Date Posted: August 25, 2008 at 1:04 PM

First time poster, but have lurked for awhile....

I'm decently happy with my system, but have done many things wrong.... example: I'm using a handme-down amp (no clue what the brand is off the top of my head. but it puts out 220w @ 4ohm. and has a built in cross over) through a Kenwood KFC-W3011 12" sub in a non-ported Phoenix Gold sub box

So I know I gotta upgrade the amp.

My speaker system itself is bugging me too...

So lets go through all the componets of my system:

  • 2007 Ford Focus ST
  • Kenwood DNX5120 head unit
  • Kenwood KFC-W3011 12" Sub
  • Phoenix Gold Octane-R 5x7's (front doors)
  • Stock 'Sony Audiophile' 5X7's (rear doors)
  • Phoenix Gold 12" Sub box (non-ported)
  • some amp... 220w @ 4ohm

A list of things I want to upgrade (in order)

  • battery (winters coming. and last season I had major issues with cold starts)
  • Front speakers (move the Octanes to the rear)
  • 6 disc Changer with FM transmitter (I miss my 6disc changer I had with my 2007 Kenwood unit. thats no longer compatible with 08 units)
  • Sub Amp/box

I have no clue what to look for in upgrading the battery. Thats all new to me.

For Front' Speakers I'm thinking of going component system. But I don't know if I wanna start cutting around in the panneling of my car. Currently I love the high end response of the Octane-R's but they have very crummy mid-range. And my ear seems to be very sensitive to high-mids. Which seem a lil sharp. The rear speakers I find muddy and usually have the headunits crossover set to 100hz for the rears. The fronts have a cross over of 80hz.  But I blend most of it front anyways. I've been told to check out Clarions SRQ5730C for a straight 5x7 replacement, or I got a brutal deal on a set of Alpine Spx-177r. However the Alpine's are 6.5's and will require some cutting of metal and tweater install... (I want the tweaters at ear level for SQ)

For a Sub Amp I'm looking at either a Kenwood Excelleon or an Alpine Monoblock.

To be honest I'm very open to suggestions as I have very little experience in car audio components. I honestly just bought the components I have now because some sales guy told me too, or because I thought the components looked 'cool.' (ie the Octane-R's.)



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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: August 26, 2008 at 8:54 AM
lennex wrote:

First time poster, but have lurked for awhile....

Welcome.

lennex wrote:

I'm decently happy with my system, but have done many things wrong.... example: I'm using a handme-down amp (no clue what the brand is off the top of my head. but it puts out 220w @ 4ohm. and has a built in cross over) through a Kenwood KFC-W3011 12" sub in a non-ported Phoenix Gold sub box
So I know I gotta upgrade the amp.

Why? Are youn happy with it's performance? If so, then don't upgrade it, save that money for better component systems. Seriously. You'll be glad you did!

lennex wrote:

My speaker system itself is bugging me too...

Why? You didn't really specify.

lennex wrote:

I have no clue what to look for in upgrading the battery. Thats all new to me.

For a small system like this one, anything will be adequate. If you really want to go TOO far beyond this, then look into an Optima yellow (or my preference - red) top battery.

lennex wrote:

For Front' Speakers I'm thinking of going component system. But I don't know if I wanna start cutting around in the panneling of my car. Currently I love the high end response of the Octane-R's but they have very crummy mid-range. And my ear seems to be very sensitive to high-mids. Which seem a lil sharp. The rear speakers I find muddy and usually have the headunits crossover set to 100hz for the rears. The fronts have a cross over of 80hz. But I blend most of it front anyways. I've been told to check out Clarions SRQ5730C for a straight 5x7 replacement, or I got a brutal deal on a set of Alpine Spx-177r. However the Alpine's are 6.5's and will require some cutting of metal and tweater install... (I want the tweaters at ear level for SQ)

The "tweeters at ear level for SQ" is a fallicy. AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE WOOFER, without exception. You should also check to see if there is something in the JL line that might also do what you like. I am pretty picky, and while I did build my component systems from (pretty much) completely non-off-the-shelf parts, I do have to very much admit that I do like the JL components. Not so much the metal domes, but the silk domes are VERY nice.

lennex wrote:

For a Sub Amp I'm looking at either a Kenwood Excelleon or an Alpine Monoblock.

Again... If you are happy with what I going on with your present piece, don't change it just yet.

lennex wrote:

To be honest I'm very open to suggestions as I have very little experience in car audio components. I honestly just bought the components I have now because some sales guy told me too, or because I thought the components looked 'cool.' (ie the Octane-R's.)

We all have to start somewhere... posted_image What's your budget? What do you ultimately want to have in your car, performance-wise? Ground-pounding? SQ? A little bit more information with regards to what YOU want, and I think we can help you a bit better! I'd personally dump the rear speakers, unless you HAVE to have them, for the kiddies (or the wife posted_image). This will allow a bit more money for REALLY getting much nicer fronts. (Oh, and there is NEVER an end! LOL This is a path you will find will continue for some LONG period of time, if you ever get bitten by the bug!)

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Posted By: lennex
Date Posted: August 26, 2008 at 10:17 AM

Sound quality is overall what I'm looking for.

What I'm not happy with is the lack of clarity of the mid-highs and how lose the low end can be. I'm not looking to shatter buildings, but I would like clear, consistent sound.

Right now my budget is about $200 a month.

I listen to a lot of different music. Probably the most popular genere in my car is hard rock. But I listen to everything from Matthew Good, Jimmy Eat World, Nine Inch Nails, Tool, Chemical Brothers, Brian Setzer, Jason Mraz, NOFX... so something versatile.

The thing about the sub-amp is that I've been told by so many people that I'm underpowering it and I could blow the sub at any minute. 400w handling @4ohm, 1200w RMS is the number I'm pulling from memory right now.



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Posted By: Hornshockey
Date Posted: August 26, 2008 at 12:06 PM
lennex wrote:

 

The thing about the sub-amp is that I've been told by so many people that I'm underpowering it and I could blow the sub at any minute. 400w handling @4ohm, 1200w RMS is the number I'm pulling from memory right now.


Oh boy, now you've opened a can of worms...I spent an hour reading through this thread and all the discussions linked from it.  Enjoy!  posted_image



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Posted By: chillin420
Date Posted: August 26, 2008 at 1:51 PM
you might not be to happy with your sub because the 5120 does not have a sub control.  it only has two pre outs.  so however you are "tuning" the rear speaks, is how you are tuning the sub. 

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Posted By: lennex
Date Posted: August 26, 2008 at 3:16 PM

chillin420 wrote:

you might not be to happy with your sub because the 5120 does not have a sub control.  it only has two pre outs.  so however you are "tuning" the rear speaks, is how you are tuning the sub. 

actually the 5120 does. it has three sets of outs. Fronts, Rears, and Sub. Even when you check the audio/crossover settings you can modifiy the sub. There is also volume control for the sub as well in a seperate menu.



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