zapco subs
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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Printed Date: May 02, 2024 at 7:44 AM
Topic: zapco subs
Posted By: mark 17
Subject: zapco subs
Date Posted: September 20, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Im cosidering buying a pair of zapco i-force 12" subs for 300.00. I think they are 300 watts. I really like zapco but, I dont know anything about thier subs these days. Are they any good, and is there anything else out there that will give me a better bang for my buck? my last pair of 12s were orion and they hit pretty hard , but that was several years ago.
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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: September 20, 2008 at 5:01 PM
We had our first experience with those woofers today. No idea of the model number or series, but they were a pair of 12s DVC 4 Ohm. One open voice coil on one speaker and push terminal broke smooth off the frame of the speaker on the other. Looked impressive, but it appears that looks can be decieving.
Posted By: audiocableguy
Date Posted: September 20, 2008 at 5:22 PM
The I-force stuff, at least the amps, are made for Zapco by an outside company. All the other electronics are made in house. I have seen the I-force subs, but did not have a chance to listen to them. The regular line of Zapco speakers are impressive and IMO a bit $$$ Made by their sister company in Italy, ESB.
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: September 20, 2008 at 8:27 PM
The iforce subs are crap. The iforce amps are ......ok The iforce mids are not real impressive either. ALL import stuff.. And it's all toooooo much money!
Posted By: jayson33
Date Posted: September 21, 2008 at 12:22 AM
Buy Cerwin-Vega made in the USA
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Posted By: audiocableguy
Date Posted: September 21, 2008 at 1:52 AM
Cerwin Vega was medium quality at best, even when Czerwinski was at the helm. The new stuff is flea market. The Strokers were the only thing worth while. Serious SPL, one note wonders. Never to be confused as a SQ product. Too many other choices.
Posted By: mark 17
Date Posted: September 21, 2008 at 9:14 AM
Thanks guys for the input. I'll pass on the I-force 12s and keep looking. Any suggestions on a set of good guality subs? I'm not competing, but I do want some solid woofers to build my own project system around.
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: September 21, 2008 at 10:23 AM
Zapco's iForce line is made for them by a company in China who also make lots of other brands. They were designed by Zapco engineers but are intended to be entry-level quality, and while it's not nearly the same as the standard Zapco line I would not call it "crap." It's probably on the same level as Pioneer, IMO. Cerwin Vega mobile equipment has not been made in the USA for probably ten years. Their speakers (just like MOST car audio gear) comes from China too, and the brand name was sold by Stanton to the company who owns Diamond Audio back in 2007. CV is now sort of the entry-level line for Diamond. A good set of subwoofers for every day listening? What is your budget, and will you be constructing your own enclosure? ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: mark 17
Date Posted: September 21, 2008 at 11:38 AM
I was planning on speding 300.00 but now im thinking i may need to at least double that to get something decent. I know thats still not alot for whats out there. After i decide on the subs i will build my oun enclosure depending on the air space they require and range I will want. Ill be looking for help on plans and dimentions then. Its been some time, but the last box i made was i think a fifth order for 12" orions. At the time it did pretty well. -------------
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: September 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM
HERE's what I think is the best 12" subwoofer on the market right now, especially for the price, unless you want all-out SPL. Check it out. I currently use one in my car and two in my home theater. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: September 22, 2008 at 8:19 PM
Say, DYohn? How's the linearity on those things? I'm SERIOUSLY considering a pair to replace the Titanics (MKI) in my home system...
I'm certain they'll be better, but really... How MUCH better? 300 dollars better? I have 2.2 cubes, sealed, and an Adcom GFA565/MKII.
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: September 22, 2008 at 9:24 PM
haemphyst wrote:
Say, DYohn? How's the linearity on those things? I'm SERIOUSLY considering a pair to replace the Titanics (MKI) in my home system...
I'm certain they'll be better, but really... How MUCH better? 300 dollars better? I have 2.2 cubes, sealed, and an Adcom GFA565/MKII.
How much better depends on what you're looking for. Much lower distortion and better linearity below 50Hz, but probably not as much SPL at the same power level. I've never used one of the Mk1 Titanic's, but I dumped a MkIII in favor of the Shiva after a side-by-side comparison because of lower audible distortion. The Shiva's motor is a little noisier. Here's the appliucation note. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: September 22, 2008 at 10:20 PM
Huh... I think I'm sold. 
Maybe one in the car, too... I always have like the Shiva SPECS, but I can't say I actually heard one. ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
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