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Topic: clif designs

Posted By: netsurfer09
Subject: clif designs
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 8:46 AM

I came across a Clif Designs amp model cd20.2dlx amp for just $80 online. It's rated at 100 watts per channel with dual 30 amp fuses. This brand is familiar and the stats sound good. Does anyone have any experience with Clif Desings amplifiers or other products? I will use this amp to power some kicker components in the front and a pair of coaxials in the rear.

Also, can I use one channel to wire the front components in parallel and the other wired in series? I would like to have more power going to the front components. 




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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 10:21 AM

Cliff = Crap.



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Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM
DYohn] wrote:

p>Cliff = Crap.


Thanks for the insightful feedback. Just out of curiosity, why is it crap? Does it sound bad? Crap to me is west coast audio, jensen, boss, etc. Judging by many of the posts here everything is crap except mcintosh, brax, tru, arc audio, alpine pdx amps, etc. I'm sorry, but there's no way I will pay that type of money for a car amp with the exception of the alpine pdx series.

For $80 shipped to my door I think this amp wil do a decent job powering my kicker separates. 



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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 11:12 AM

Ok, let me add some Canadian to it, smelly MERDE. I would rather have Jensen in my vehicle than that trash. If you are in Canada, there are deals on lots of amps right now that are Quality amps and not Kwality amps. If you are in the US, look to a local shop and see what deals can be found.



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Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 11:35 AM
forbidden wrote:

Ok, let me add some Canadian to it, smelly MERDE. I would rather have Jensen in my vehicle than that trash. If you are in Canada, there are deals on lots of amps right now that are Quality amps and not Kwality amps. If you are in the US, look to a local shop and see what deals can be found.


Wow, ok thanks for the feedback. I had the chance to get an Eclpise amp rated at 65 watts x  2 for $80. Maybe I will go with that amp instead.



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Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 11:39 AM
forbidden wrote:

smelly MERDE. .





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Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Can someone at least tell me WHY this amp is such crap?? With a signal to noise ratio of 100, distortion of only .03% and a 2 year warranty it seems at least adequate.

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Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 12:18 PM
build quality. stats mean nothing if you amp only lasts a week. i have the same gripe with anything made by jensen

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Cliff Designs is made by the Anaba Group, AKA the Mobile Authority folks and is their lower line below MA Audio.  Their specs are lies, falsehoods and exaggerations, their build quality is below Cracker Jacks prize level, and they sound like the ass of Godzilla after a hearty romp through Ensenada.  Other than that, they really are not worth anything you might have to pay for them.  Visonik, Ultra Linear and Rockbox are their other, equally quality-laden brands.

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Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 12:48 PM

DYohn] wrote:

liff Designs is made by the Anaba Group, AKA the Mobile Authority folks and is their lower line below MA Audio.  Their specs are lies, falsehoods and exaggerations, their build quality is below Cracker Jacks prize level, and they sound like the ass of Godzilla after a hearty romp through Ensenada.  Other than that, they really are not worth anything you might have to pay for them.  Visonik, Ultra Linear and Rockbox are their other, equally quality-laden brands.

Ok, any thoughts on the Eclipse xa 1000 sub amp? Picked that one up for $100 plus shipping.



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 1:31 PM
netsurfer09 wrote:

Ok, any thoughts on the Eclipse xa 1000 sub amp? Picked that one up for $100 plus shipping.


Excellent choice.  Pay attention to the impedance specs.



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Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 2:43 PM
DYohn] wrote:

QUOTE=netsurfer09]

Ok, any thoughts on the Eclipse xa 1000 sub amp? Picked that one up for $100 plus shipping.


Excellent choice.  Pay attention to the impedance specs.

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Well, it's supposed to put out 480 watts into 2 ohms. I plan on wiring the 4 ohm polks in parallel sending 240 watts to each one for a 2 ohm load.

Judging from the feedback on the Clif amp, I'm better off using my old school Precision Power AP200. As soon as it gets here it's going right back to where it came from.



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: December 18, 2008 at 3:10 PM

netsurfer09 wrote:

Judging from the feedback on the Clif amp, I'm better off using my old school Precision Power AP200.

That would be a good assumption.  The Eclipse X-series amps do not seem to like anything lower than 2-ohms.



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Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: December 19, 2008 at 8:56 PM

On second thought, I think I'll stick with the Clif amp. I have a feeling that it will do the job. All I need it to do is be an adequate, decent sounding amp. If it breaks I have a 2 year warranty to fall back on. .



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Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: December 19, 2008 at 9:01 PM

soundnsecurity wrote:

build quality. stats mean nothing if you amp only lasts a week. i have the same gripe with anything made by jensen

Clif isn't made by Jensen and the amp comes with a 2 year warranty. 





Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: December 19, 2008 at 9:05 PM

DYohn] wrote:

liff Designs is made by the Anaba Group, AKA the Mobile Authority folks and is their lower line below MA Audio.  Their specs are lies, falsehoods and exaggerations, their build quality is below Cracker Jacks prize level, and they sound like the ass of Godzilla after a hearty romp through Ensenada.  Other than that, they really are not worth anything you might have to pay for them.  Visonik, Ultra Linear and Rockbox are their other, equally quality-laden brands.

This Clif amp is CEA-2006 compliant for rated power. Does that actually mean anything? Also, have you actually heard this particular amp? And why do people seem to get angry at the mere mention of this manufacturer? Perhaps many of you have very expensive, high-end systems and turn your nose up at basic, entry-level gear.





Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: December 20, 2008 at 3:28 AM

Why do you ask for advice, get the advice, then think Dyohn is lieing to you? If he says it's junk it's junk. He was building systems when you were still crappin yellow. So go ahead and buy it. don't waste peoples time asking question you think you know the anwser to.



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Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: December 20, 2008 at 11:41 AM
netsurfer09 wrote:

soundnsecurity wrote:

build quality. stats mean nothing if you amp only lasts a week. i have the same gripe with anything made by jensen


Clif isn't made by Jensen and the amp comes with a 2 year warranty. 




oh, i didn't mean it to sound like that. i know jensen doesn't make clif, i just put them in the same category, sorry for the confusion. ive installed MANY MANY MANY jensens, their amps are ok.....if you like to gamble because they cant take too much of abuse

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Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: December 21, 2008 at 5:57 PM
For my first system i had two low price Boss amps. They are not good and their power specs are exaggerated, but it sounded fine to me. That's why they make cheap stuff-for people without a lot of money. I for one can't afford PDX and Mcintosh and whatnot. To me (regular music listener) those Boss amps didn't blow up and completely ruin my system. They did the job. Buy the damn Clif Designs amp if you don't have alot of cash to blow. If you want to save up for a ridiculously priced amp go for it. I honestly can't tell that big a difference.

Or you could buy a used nicer brand amp. But i'm sure you'll be satisfied with this "crap" amp that "sucks". The amp will probably be okay. If it's not send it back. Lesson learned. Everything is about name brand these days. Even car audio.

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: December 21, 2008 at 9:24 PM
I just hate to see people waste their money.  But hey, it's your money, buy what you want.  Enjoy.

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Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: January 02, 2009 at 2:09 PM
speedwayaudio1 wrote:

Why do you ask for advice, get the advice, then think Dyohn is lieing to you? If he says it's junk it's junk. He was building systems when you were still crappin yellow. So go ahead and buy it. don't waste peoples time asking question you think you know the anwser to.


I have a Precision Power A200 Art Series amplifier. That should tell you something about how long I've been into car audio. Admittedly, I've not paid much attention in the last few years. Apparently, while I was gone companies like Hifonics, Rockford Fostgate and even Precision Power have turned into ordinary stuff.

The Clif Designs I remember was a higher-end company with top quality speakers and such. Maybe that's changed but I tend to ask questions when things don't add up. And, I'm STILL waiting to hear from ONE person who has heard one of their amps. Judging from the reviews of people that actually owned their amps are very happy with them. I have three amplfiers that I could use to power my mids so it's not a big deal. Again, I paid just $79 for this amp with shipping. A virtually identical model is selling for $179 on onlinestereo.com. 





Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: January 02, 2009 at 2:19 PM

mcben789 wrote:

For my first system i had two low price Boss amps. They are not good and their power specs are exaggerated, but it sounded fine to me. That's why they make cheap stuff-for people without a lot of money. I for one can't afford PDX and Mcintosh and whatnot. To me (regular music listener) those Boss amps didn't blow up and completely ruin my system. They did the job. Buy the damn Clif Designs amp if you don't have alot of cash to blow. If you want to save up for a ridiculously priced amp go for it. I honestly can't tell that big a difference.

Or you could buy a used nicer brand amp. But i'm sure you'll be satisfied with this "crap" amp that "sucks". The amp will probably be okay. If it's not send it back. Lesson learned. Everything is about name brand these days. Even car audio.

I owned a Boss amp back in the day. It's was rated at 100 per channel but didn't sound like it. I could clearly hear the difference bewteen that amp and my Alpine and Precision Power amps. It sounded better than I thought but the distortion was very audible. I don't believe Boss amps are CEA-2006 compliant. That being said, the amp was no good for bass but ok for mids or highs which is what I'd be using the Clif amp for.





Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: January 02, 2009 at 3:19 PM
When I say something like "Cliff Designs is crap" it's based on personal experience with them.  Cliff was never a high-quality brand, and after they got sucked into Anaba Mobile Authority their quality went WAY down.  They are garbage, in the same class as Pyramid or Pyle or Boss.

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Posted By: netsurfer09
Date Posted: January 03, 2009 at 3:27 AM

DYohn] wrote:

hen I say something like "Cliff Designs is crap" it's based on personal experience with them.  Cliff was never a high-quality brand, and after they got sucked into Anaba Mobile Authority their quality went WAY down.  They are garbage, in the same class as Pyramid or Pyle or Boss.

At the end of the day that's just your opinion. A lot of people don't agree with you. 





Posted By: audiocableguy
Date Posted: January 03, 2009 at 2:35 PM
Also from personal experience, the Cliff stuff is horrible.

When you are pulling gear out daily that has: caught fire, stopped working or just plain sound bad you start to notice the brands. When you see brands showing up at certain retailers or shops, you know somethings up. When Anaba, Directed and Maxxsonics own the perspective names, there's a big clue.

Dyohn has the knowledge, experience and enough little stars by his name to be more than credible on his opinions.








Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: January 03, 2009 at 5:38 PM
netsurfer09 wrote:

At the end of the day that's just your opinion. A lot of people don't agree with you. 


If alot of these people are the ones that are purchasing the equipment based solely on the low price that the equipment is, then sure, I agree lots of people would not agree. For those people who have been in car audio since christ was in diapers, we know exactly the opposite. Clif is entry level equipment and always has been. My opinion is the same as DYohn's. (even though he has one little more star than me)



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